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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Way offshore in some cases, but also deep. Maybe the underwater mass could help hold the platform in place?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><a href="https://www.aegirinsights.com/offshore-wind-in-california-faces-four-main-challenges-depth-waves-ports-and-grid-connection">https://www.aegirinsights.com/offshore-wind-in-california-faces-four-main-challenges-depth-waves-ports-and-grid-connection</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>The moon idea reminds me of this center:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Region_Supercomputing_Center">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Region_Supercomputing_Center</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of glen <gepropella@gmail.com><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, March 28, 2024 at 10:33 AM<br><b>To: </b>friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Bandwidth might be a problem. But the dark side of the moon seems like an option ... assuming you can negotiate with the aliens that live over there. The best thing about coral is you don't have to negotiate for their "land". You can just take it and let them die like the stupid little creatures they are.<br><br><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/22/asia/south-china-sea-philippines-coral-reef-damage-intl-hnk/index.html">https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/22/asia/south-china-sea-philippines-coral-reef-damage-intl-hnk/index.html</a><br><br>On 3/28/24 10:17, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>> It's not really my thing, but I noticed there were several very large exhibits at Supercomputing 23 for cooling technology. Even immersive cooling solutions. I think that could be improved a lot. Without superconducting processors, I don't see how energy use can be dramatically reduced though. For that there will just need to be new generation. Could put these near large off short windfarms..<br>> <br>> <a href="https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/china-deploys-1400-ton-commercial-underwater-data-center/">https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/china-deploys-1400-ton-commercial-underwater-data-center/</a><br>> <br>> I suppose there are some that would say gentrification is genocide -- a slow coerced displacement.<br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen<br>> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 9:49 AM<br>> To: friam@redfish.com<br>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity<br>> <br>> Maybe. But way before that happens, it will(has) force(d) the disaffected (people, animals, plants) of any such region to die, move, or adapt.<br>> <br>> In the Gaza kerfuffle, I've heard some describe coerced displacement as "genocide". I guess the more reasonble term is ethnic cleansing. The settlers seem mostly fine with their ethnic cleansing agenda. But, by analogy, how would we describe the coercive adaptation put upon a region by a massive water-sucking data center? Biology cleansing? If there really were an AI, would they worry about the forced displacement caused by their silicon incubators? ... or maybe "incubator" isn't a good word. How about "galls": <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gall">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gall</a> Yeah, that might be a good analogy. The machines are parasitic. They hijack the iDNA (information generators) of the local biology to form galls within which they grow and thrive.<br>> <br>> On 3/28/24 07:51, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>>> It will force innovation on energy-efficient microarchitecture (e.g. Groq) and on renewable power generation near data centers.<br>>><br>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>> From: Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen<br>>> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 7:09 AM<br>>> To: friam@redfish.com<br>>> Subject: [FRIAM] death by ubiquity<br>>><br>>><br>>> As we frivolously replace meatspace conversation with obsequious chatbots, the world burns.<br>>><br>>> The industry more damaging to the environment than airlines <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/05/30/silicon-valley-data-giants-net-zero-sustainability-risk/">https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/05/30/silicon-valley-data-giants-net-zero-sustainability-risk/</a><br>>><br>>> <a href="https://www.asce.org/publications-and-news/civil-engineering-source/civil-engineering-magazine/issues/magazine-issue/article/2024/03/engineers-often-need-a-lot-of-water-to-keep-data-centers-cool">https://www.asce.org/publications-and-news/civil-engineering-source/civil-engineering-magazine/issues/magazine-issue/article/2024/03/engineers-often-need-a-lot-of-water-to-keep-data-centers-cool</a><br>> <br><br><br>-- <br>ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ<br><br>-. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. .<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom <a href="https://bit.ly/virtualfriam">https://bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br>to (un)subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br>archives: 5/2017 thru present <a href="https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/">https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</a><br> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 <a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>