<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto">This prompt reminds me of the recent book from <span style="font-family: "Google Sans"; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;" dir="auto">Matt Strassler named "Waves in an Impossible Sea: How Everyday Life Emerges from the Cosmic Ocean". It sounds interesting but they don't have it in the libraries here yet and the hardcover is too expensive.</span><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family: "Google Sans"; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;" dir="auto">https://www.harvard.com/book/waves_in_an_impossible_sea/</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family: "Google Sans"; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;" dir="auto"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family: "Google Sans"; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;" dir="auto">-J.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family: "Google Sans"; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;" dir="auto"><br></span></div><div><br></div><div align="left" dir="auto" style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: glen <gepropella@gmail.com> </div><div>Date: 5/30/24 7:00 PM (GMT+01:00) </div><div>To: friam@redfish.com </div><div>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] words </div><div><br></div></div>Hm. I suppose it's worth a shot. If we prompt with "All energy in the universe is expressed in motion. All motion is expressed in waves. All waves are curved. So where do the straight lines come from to make the Platonic solids?" Then it's possible the LLM would complete that with "There are no straight lines. So when I took the flower of life and opened it properly, I found all new wave conjugations that expose the in-between spaces. It's the thing that holds us all together." But I sincerely doubt it.<br><br>But maybe by "have to have", you mean that an LLM *could* be trained (and/or structured) to bias toward rare expressions/concepts in its training set instead of more common ones.<br><br>On 5/30/24 09:01, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>> I'm not going to watch Joe Rogan, 😊 but I think LLMs don't have to have this homogenous mean problem. They capture a distribution, so it is a question of the inference procedure to sample from it. What is the (beam) search algorithm, how deep does it go, and what is the sampling temperature.<br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen<br>> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2024 1:09 PM<br>> To: friam@redfish.com<br>> Subject: [FRIAM] words<br>> <br>> Terrence Howard | Full Address and Q&A | Oxford Union https://youtu.be/ca1vIYmGyYA?si=vhbtA5WUX1CV8LZH<br>> <br>> Joe Rogan Experience #2152 - Terrence Howard<br>> https://youtu.be/g197xdRZsW0?si=kFTa7lQJI1lKA6R1<br>> <br>> I just can't help but wonder how many people, while listening to Howard talk, realize they're interacting with a sick individual (who deserves compassion but does not deserve gullibility). Or how many people are (like Rogan seems to have been) ... uh ... hypnotized by Howard's well-crafted word salad. In this LLM era, where many people, including some on this list, are enthralled by random bullshit, it seems like a reasonable thing to wonder about. Luckily, the clear cognitive power Howard exhibits puts him in some kind of rare quantile. So our LLMs, being driven mostly to a homogenous mean, their random bullshit will, by definition, match those of us within 1 or a few sigma and suppress the weirdest among us.<br>> <br>> Being a fan of steel-manning, I'm having a bit of a crisis. The paradox of tolerance tells me that we absolutely must call bullshit at some point, even if it's not ruthless. Those Oxford Union attendees danced around egging him on and calling him out. Is this what the kids call "cringe"? Do we just cringe and tolerate it? Or, like Rogan, pretend to credibility relying on his weirdness to be so weird that it'll disappear into the tails? 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