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<p>I find that Michael Levin speaks elaborately and eloquently on
the code/environment duality in many interesting contexts:</p>
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://drmichaellevin.org/</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/12/24 4:30 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal;
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align:
baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Emergence as a kind
of “software in the natural world"? If we mean code by it,
then yes, certainly. Every developer knows that each piece of
code which is added makes the system more complex. Therefore
we usually try to keep it simple. For biological systems it is
the DNA code. For cultural systems it is the hidden code
people do not want to talk about because everything related to
it is sacred (at least for the group which it defines). The
knights templar had their own code, the order of the
cistercians, the Franciscans and the other religious orders
and organizations as well. </span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal;
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align:
baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Cults and sects
have their code ( which can be simple political slogans such
as "Make Your Country Great Again", "Build the wall" and "Lock
them up" or simply "Do not criticize the supreme leader").
Criminal organizations have their code. Ideologies and
political parties have their code. Behind every complex
organism or organization there seems to be some form of code
or DNA that generates and maintains it. </span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal;
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align:
baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Whenever something
is happening in nature it is either supper or pairing time.
Obviously because the underlying "selfish" code has created
bodies which have the directive to maintain and replicate
themselves. If we look at cultural systems, for instance at
political conventions or at religious congregations, then we
notice that every time something is really happening at a
larger scale is that the code becomes active. People come
together to read or express laws, rules, guidelines and
policies.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal;
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates:
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</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal;
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align:
baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">So I would say yes,
if there is a secret then it is the code. Definitely. I</span><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); white-space-collapse: preserve;">s
there a new math for it? IMO it is quite hard to formulate the
expression of such a code in general mathematically. For
example how can you describe mathematically if the speech of a
president or party leader or priest has bigger consequences or
not? It is at least as complicated as calculating a path
integral in Quantum Field Theory. </span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); white-space-collapse: preserve;">What
might be possible is to calculate a probability how a group
behavior changes depending how frequent a rule is read,
remembered and expressed.</span></p>
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style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal;
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align:
baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">-J.</span></p>
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<div>-------- Original message --------</div>
<div>From: Roger Critchlow <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rec@elf.org"><rec@elf.org></a> </div>
<div>Date: 6/12/24 8:05 PM (GMT+01:00) </div>
<div>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Friam@redfish.com"><Friam@redfish.com></a> </div>
<div>Subject: [FRIAM] new math of complexity </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Speaking of emergence, any takes on Phillip Ball's
article in Quanta?
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href="https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-new-math-of-how-large-scale-order-emerges-20240610/"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-new-math-of-how-large-scale-order-emerges-20240610/</a><br>
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<div>I really liked his summary of the current non-explanations
for emergence, but I haven't had time to read further.</div>
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