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      <div dir="ltr">Speaking of emergence, any takes on Phillip Ball's
        article in Quanta?
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        <div>I really liked his summary of the current non-explanations
          for emergence, but I haven't had time to read further.</div>
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        <div>-- rec --</div>
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    <p>As a member of a group here roughly described as "Complexity
      Groupies" I am heartened to hear Ball's acknowledgement that
      "nobody" really seems to have a good explanation of "what
      emergence is".  It feels parallel to art and pornography in the
      sense of "I don't know what it is, but I know it when I see it".</p>
    <p>Terrence Deacon's classifications of dynamic systems seems to
      provide some insight or fine structure to emergence, though I
      don't know if it is widely interesting or helpful to others.  He
      applies it primarily to life unto consciousness studies.  It seems
      particularly apt to Ball's references to "heirarchical" systems
      while his references to "leaky" emergence rhymes (a little for me)
      with Herb Simon's "partially decomposable" systems.<br>
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    <p>As an aside, I don't think I would have recognized Crutchfield...
      I haven't seen him in person since about 2009 when he was doing an
      art-project with Woody Vasulka and
      microphone/speaker/ambient-space dynamical systems at the old bank
      building downtown?  Or maybe it was a few years earlier...</p>
    <p>Deacon's classification system:<br>
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        700;">homeodynamic:<span> </span></strong>A system is
      homeodynamic if its spontaneous, natural or unforced path leads
      towards equilibrium. Homeodynamics erases differences (e.g., in
      temperature or pressure).</p>
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        700;">morphodynamic:<span> </span></strong>A system is
      morphodynamic if it tends to spontaneously increase in order. This
      generally involves external perturbations, but does not involve
      external design or imposition of form. Morphodynamics subsumes
      many standard examples of self-organization. Morphodynamics
      amplifies differences.</p>
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        700;">teleodynamic:<span> </span></strong>A system is
      teleodynamic if its organization becomes spontaneously
      end-directed. Teleodynamic systems employ homeodynamic and
      morphodynamic processes in the service of a self. Terms like
      ‘self-maintenance’ and ‘self-repair’ become natural and
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