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<p>I find this nicely referential to Jeff Hawkins (Palm Pilot,
Redwood) SensoriMotor learning based in his (poorly named?) 1000
Brains theory and his (new to me) concept/project of applying
those Neurological Models of the NeoCortex to developing AI.<br>
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<p>On a nearly orthogonal tangent referential to Dave's throwdown in
haptics and VR: <br>
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<p>Reminiscent of Haptek's *original* mission to provide VR haptic
suits suitable for at least virtual combat sports if not military
training. The founders include Chris and Robert Shaw (yes, of <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Shaw_(physicist)">Chaos
Cabal</a> fame) but they made an abrupt kink in their trajectory
developing PeoplePutty for building lifelike VR Avatars. Chris
visited sfX a couple of times before *we* went defunct! <br>
</p>
<p>FWIW, Chris drew the image that was printed on the posters and
T-shirts for the first Evolution, Games and Learning conference in
Los Alamos (leading toward the ALife conferences) in roughly 1985
or 1986? It was a human hand drawing a robot hand ala Escher.
My T-shirt got repurposed into an art project by my partner in the
90s... I haven't seen it (or found an image of the drawing) in
decades excepting for tripping over Steen's Son Leif visiting back
from college at El Parasol in Pojoaque (10 years ago?) wearing
Steen's copy of the shirt... surreal, no?<br>
</p>
<p>I thought PeoplePutty had gone totally defunct but it appears it
evolved (or got folded) into character.ai which I have only
followed one link deep... Chris is their Chief Creative Officer or
somesuch. <br>
</p>
<p>Riffing or tangenting on DaveW's VR-Sex angle, many of us here
may have tested or even owned a Novint Falcon device... docking
molecules and folding proteins was the killer app IMO. Before
they went totally out of business (theme here, VR businesses
failing?) I tried to acquire a suite of them for a specific
telecollaboration project and found that the production line had
been bought out for over a year in the future. I probed around
and found that there was a startup company adapting them for a
"teledildonics" product aspiration. I couldn't tell if they ever
made it. I'm guessing not, too absurd to imagine.</p>
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<p>I think my aspirational project was well before this, but this
DailyMail reference suggested the "dark" project went forward (or
another took it up):</p>
<p>There was also a "pistol grip" used widely for first-person
shooter games (a whole new twist on the bump-stock concept?) The
mechanism is basically a "stewart platform".<br>
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<p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p>FriXion Cyber-Dildonics:<br>
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<p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p>And then there is the less prurient for teleHandholding: <br>
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<p>Apt for COVID lockdown romances?</p>
<p>Mumble,</p>
<p>- Sieve<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">long time ago, in the early days
of "virtual reality" I consulted for W Industries, a company in
England that made full body suits with thousands of tiny sensors
and effectors for the purpose of cyber-sex. They worked well
enough but suffered from a "lack of resolution" just as early
CRT monitors. Unlike monitors, like Apple's Retina displays,
where the 'pixel density' could be increased sufficiently to be
convincing; the body suits would have had to have a "pixel'
density" several orders of magnitude greater than that required
to build a convincing display.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br>
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<div>On Sun, Jul 7, 2024, at 1:50 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:<br>
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<div>Stephen,<br>
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<div dir="auto">During the four years I worked at the Robotics
Institute I worked on the Factory of the Future project.
This involved sensors, including cameras, temperature
sensors, viscosity, conductivity and whatever else was
relevant. Also actuators which controlled inputs to the
different subprocesses in the manufacture of fluorescent
light bulbs. We implemented some subsystems related to
automated inspection of coatings inside the bulbs but
conceptually we designed the whole factory. During that
project Westinghouse sold all of its lightbulb manufacturing
plants and IP to Phillips of the Netherlands and they
stopped our work. The point is I am familiar with the
concepts you mention. Even if that project had resulted in
a factory that could manufacture light bulbs with minimal
human supervision it would not have occurred to me that
there was any consciousness involved. Intelligence yes. As
for embodied intelligence? Sort of.<br>
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<div dir="auto">Frank<br>
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<div>Frank C. Wimberly<br>
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<div>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>
</div>
<div>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>505 670-9918<br>
</div>
<div>Santa Fe, NM<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 7, 2024,
12:23 PM Stephen Guerin <<a
href="mailto:stephen.guerin@simtable.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">stephen.guerin@simtable.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Frank, <br>
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<div>embodied where? in our shared world? if it
uses sensors and actuators like Marcus's Waymo
that perceives him and hopefully acts to avoid
him?<br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Consider the Simtable that uses <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structured_light"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">structured light</a> in
a perception-action loop (ala the neo-Gibsonians
in ecological psychology) with the projector
camera feedback to recover a dynamic 3D model of
its world and watch with its camera for human
interaction (laserpointers, object tracking etc)
to trigger corresponding behaviors with the
projector to interact with the user. Is it
embodied?<br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 7, 2024
at 12:08 PM Frank Wimberly <<a
href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">wimberly3@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>So you think of software running on a computer as
being embodied?<br>
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</div>
<div>Frank C. Wimberly<br>
</div>
<div>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>
</div>
<div>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>505 670-9918<br>
</div>
<div>Santa Fe, NM<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 7,
2024, 9:12 AM Nicholas Thompson <<a
href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>I think of large language models as the most
embodied things on the planet, but let that go
for a moment. Back to baby steps.<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>Can you lay out for me why you believe that
language is essential to self-awareness. Does
that believe arise from ideology, authority, or
some set of facts I need to take account of. To
be honest here, I should say where I am coming
from. A lot of my so-called career was spent
railing against circular reasoning in
evolutionary theory and psychology. So, if
language is essential to self-awareness, and
animals do not have language, then it indeed
follows that animals do not have
self-awareness. But what if our method for
detecting self awareness requires language? Now
we are in a loop. Are we in such a loop, or are
there facts of some matter, independent of
language, convince you that animals are not
self-aware. Is self awareness extricable from
language?<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It is an old old trope that animals are
automata but that humans have soul. Descartes
swore by it. Is "language" the new soul?<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Nick<br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
</div>
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<div><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul
7, 2024 at 7:29 AM Jochen Fromm <<a
href="mailto:jofr@cas-group.net"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jofr@cas-group.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div><span>I would say cats, dogs and horses
don't have meta-awareness because they
lack language. They live in the present
moment, in the here and now. Without
language they do not have the capability
to reflect on their past or to think about
their future. They can not formulate </span><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);" dir="auto"><span
class="font"
style="font-family:"Google
Sans";">stories of themselves which
could help to form a sense of identity.
</span></span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0,
0);" dir="auto"><span class="font"
style="font-family:"Google
Sans";">Language is the mirror in
which we perceive ourselves during "this
is me" moments. Animals lack this mirror
completely. One dimensional scents
trails do not count as language.</span></span><br>
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<div><span class="font"
style="font-family:Google Sans;"><span
class="color" style="color:rgb(0, 0,
0);"><span>Large languages models lack
consciousness because they do not
have a body which is embedded as a
actor in an environment. These two
things are necessary: the physical
world of bodies, and the mental
world of language. When both collide
in the same spot we can get
consciousness.<br>
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0);"><span class="font"
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Sans";"></span></span><br>
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0);"><span class="font"
style="font-family:"Google
Sans";">-J.</span></span><br>
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<div>From: Nicholas Thompson <<a
href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<div>Date: 7/6/24 5:05 AM (GMT+01:00)<br>
</div>
<div>To: The Friday Morning Applied
Complexity Coffee Group <<a
href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
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<div>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of
Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>Well, that's because Socrates claimed
not to know what he thought, and since I
genuinely don[t know what I think until I
work it out, the conversation has the same
quality. I apologize for that. my
students found it truly distressing.<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>So, if you will indulge me, why don't
you think your cat has meta=awareness?
Authority, ideology, or is there some
experience you have had that leads you to
think that. It would be kind of odd if
it she didn't because animals have all
sorts of ways of distinguishing self from
other. They have ways of knowinng that "I
did that". (e.g., scent marking?)<br>
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<div><br>
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<div class="qt-gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri,
Jul 5, 2024 at 3:19 PM Jochen Fromm <<a
href="mailto:jofr@cas-group.net"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jofr@cas-group.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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class="qt-gmail_quote">
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<div dir="auto"><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">Well
yes, if meta-awareness is defined as
acting in response to one's own
awareness then I would say animals
like a cat don't have it but humans
have. As an example I could say this
almost feels like I am a participant
in a dialogue from Plato...</span><br>
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<div><br>
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style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0,
0);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline;">I
would be surprised if it can be
described in simple terms. If the
essence of consciousness is
subjective experience then it is
indeed hard to describe by a
theory although there are many
attempts. Persons who perceive
things differently are wired
differently. And what is more
subjective than the perception of
oneself? </span><br>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0,
0);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline;"><a
href="https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/what-is-consciousness/"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/what-is-consciousness/</a></span><br>
</p>
<p dir="ltr"
style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><br>
</p>
<p dir="ltr"
style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0,
0);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline;"><span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline;"><span
class="font"
style="font-family:"Google
Sans";">If we can
describe it mathematically
then probably as a way an
information feels if it is
processed in complex ways, ad
infinitum like the orbits of a
strange attractor.</span></span></span><br>
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0);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline;"><span
style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline;"><span
class="font"
style="font-family:"Google
Sans";"><a
href="https://chaoticatmospheres.com/mathrules-strange-attractors"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://chaoticatmospheres.com/mathrules-strange-attractors</a></span></span></span><br>
</p>
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style="color:rgb(0, 0,
0);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline;"></span><br>
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style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0,
0);font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;vertical-align:baseline;">-J.</span><br>
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style="color:rgb(0, 0,
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<div>From: Nicholas Thompson <<a
href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>><br>
</div>
<div>Date: 7/5/24 6:56 PM (GMT+01:00)<br>
</div>
<div>To: The Friday Morning Applied
Complexity Coffee Group <<a
href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
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<div>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Why the
Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper
Than We Thought<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Great! Baby steps. "If we aren't
moving slowly, we aren't moving."
So, can I define some new terms,
tentatively, <i>per explorandum</i>
? Let's call
acting-in-respect-to-the-world,
"awareness". Allowing this
definition, we certainly seem to
agree that the cat is aware. Lets
define meta-awareness as acting i
respect to one's own awareness.
Now, am I correct in assuming that
you identify meta-awareness with
consciousness and that you think
that the cat is not meta-aware and
that I probably am? And further
that you think that meta-awareness
requires consciousness?<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Nick<br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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Fri, Jul 5, 2024 at 12:17 PM Jochen
Fromm <<a
href="mailto:jofr@cas-group.net"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jofr@cas-group.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>I would say a cat is
conscious in the sense that it
is aware of its immediate
environment. Cats are nocturnal
animals who hunt at night and
mostly sleep during the day.
Consciousness in the sense of
being aware of oneself as an
actor in an environment requires
understanding of language which
only humans have ( and LLMs now
)<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.quantamagazine.org/insects-and-other-animals-have-consciousness-experts-declare-20240419/"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.quantamagazine.org/insects-and-other-animals-have-consciousness-experts-declare-20240419/</a><br>
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</div>
<div dir="auto">-J.<br>
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<div>-------- Original message
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</div>
<div>From: Nicholas Thompson
<<a
href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
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<div>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Why
the Mystery of Consciousness
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<div>Jochen,<br>
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<div><i>I think the first step
in any conversation is to
decide whether your cat is
conscious. If so, why do
you think so; if not,
likewise. I had a
facinnationg conversation
with GBT about whether he
was conscious and he denied
it "hotly", which, of
course, met one of his
criteria for consciousness. </i><br>
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<div><i>So. Is your cat
connscious?</i><br>
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<div><i>Nick</i><br>
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dir="ltr">On Thu, Jul 4, 2024
at 7:26 PM Jochen Fromm <<a
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<div dir="auto">I don't get
Philip Goff: first we send
our children 20 years to
school, from Kindergarten
to college and university,
to teach them all kinds of
languages, and then we
wonder how they can be
conscious. It will be the
same for AI: first we
spend millions and
millions to train them all
available knowledge, and
then we wonder how they
can develop understanding
of language and
consciousness...<br>
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<div dir="auto">-J.<br>
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