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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Wow! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Guerin<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 8, 2024 10:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 6:08<span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span>PM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Argh! Could we dial down the Christmas in the elf stereotype? :-)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I did push the santa elves in my prompt as that was the type of elf I had in mind at the time - I realize now the loss of elf geek cred:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> "Illustrate an elf lecturing to other Santa elves a deep geometric proof of consciousness on a whiteboard supported with candy canes"<br><br>I found it interesting that Dan Gupta "thought" of putting a ladder against the whiteboard which hinted at the the idea that the shorter elves needed it. And then the apparent "cognitive dissonance" that ladders tend to lean against walls instead of whiteboards which may have led to that inconsistency in the illustration.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Markus, yes, we can dial down Christmas. Dan wrote an elf selector for you. I prompted to first list 10 elf types, generate images of them, then choose 3 semantic vectors as orthogonal as possible to separate the elf types. Then, create an HTML page with 3 sliders for the vectors and sort the elves based on cosine distance to the slider values. :-)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <a href="https://guerin.acequia.io/elfSelector" target="_blank">https://guerin.acequia.io/elfSelector</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-left:30.0pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=405 height=525 style='width:4.2202in;height:5.4642in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01DAD1D5.583DDF20"><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <a href="https://guerin.acequia.io/elfSelector" target="_blank">https://guerin.acequia.io/elfSelector</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Guerin<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 8, 2024 3:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Nick wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So, what facts of the matter convince you that one or more languages are essential for meta awareess. Or is it elf-evident<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sufficient proofs for Elf-evidence. ;-p<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><img border=0 width=482 height=482 style='width:5.0238in;height:5.0238in' id="m_-6905411297310323556m_-3063894304384586649m_8781906665859960398Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image002.png@01DAD1D5.583DDF20"><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>-. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. .<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom <a href="https://bit.ly/virtualfriam" target="_blank">https://bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br>to (un)subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com" target="_blank">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br>archives: 5/2017 thru present <a href="https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/" target="_blank">https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</a><br> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 <a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/" target="_blank">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>