<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Arial;">Forgive me, but it seems to me incomprehensible that anyone could believe that "no one is above the law."<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">How many laws explicitly exempt members of Congress? How many do not apply to members of the armed forces when carrying out their official duties? Similarly, with police.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">Can anyone point me to a law that has zero exceptions, zero context dependencies, that applies to everyone exactly equally?<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div>On Tue, Jul 16, 2024, at 1:52 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div>A president who murders his opponents would not be better than an evil dictator in an authoritarian state. Putin's opponents like Navalny, Litvinenko and Nemtsov were all brutally poisoned and/or murdered.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But you are right, this possibility exists after the recent decision of the supreme court. It seems to be a result of democratic backsliding. Nobody should be above the law if the rule of law has any meaning in a democratic society.<br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-J.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div align="left" dir="auto" style="font-size:100%;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><div>-------- Original message --------<br></div><div>From: Russ Abbott <russ.abbott@gmail.com><br></div><div>Date: 7/16/24 7:48 PM (GMT+01:00)<br></div><div>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br></div><div>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] tolerance of intolerance<br></div><div><br></div></div><div dir="auto"><div>Why has no one pointed out the possibility that if Trump wins, Biden could take advantage of his newly declared immunity and have him assassinated?<br></div><div><br></div><div>-- Russ<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div class="qt-gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Tue, Jul 16, 2024, 6:24 AM glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com">gepropella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;" class="qt-gmail_quote"><div>Yeah. It's one thing to wish it or want it. It's another to think more in Marcus' terms and come up with a more complex strategy not involving stupid 20 year olds and no violence at all. I still hold out hope for my own personal conspiracy theory. Biden becomes the nominee. After the convention fades, the Admnistration announces Biden has gone to the hospital for bone spur surgery. Kamala takes over temporarily and campaigns furiously for Biden-Harris. Biden is re-elected. Biden recovers and gets through the Oath (fingers crossed). Then he goes back to the hospital with some minor thing like a dizzy spell. Kamala takes over again. Biden's condition worsens. First Female President. Biden recovers and becomes America's Grandpa.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Come on Deep State. Make it happen. 8^D<br></div><div> <br></div><div> On 7/15/24 17:30, Russ Abbott wrote:<br></div><div> > I wonder what Scott's response would have been to those of us who, in response to the shooting, thought: better luck next time.<br></div><div> > On 7/15/24 17:28, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br></div><div> >> It ignores the option of doing things quietly and indirectly.<br></div><div> >> On 7/15/24 16:46, glen wrote:<br></div><div> >>> [Scott's] Prayer<br></div><div> >>> <a rel="noreferrer noreferrer" href="https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8117">https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=8117</a><br></div><div> >>> <br></div><div> >>> I'm currently surrounded by people who believe intolerance is properly not tolerated. Scott's message, here, seems extraordinary Christian, to me. (Real Christian, not the Christianism displayed in things like megachurches and whatnot cf <a rel="noreferrer noreferrer" href="https://raymondsmullyan.com/books/who-knows/">https://raymondsmullyan.com/books/who-knows/</a>). This faith that "going high" will, in the long run, win out, seems naive to me. The temptation to "hoist the black flag and start slitting throats" isn't merely a thresholded reaction, it's an intuitive grasp of the iterated prisoner's dilemma, tit-for-tat style strategies, and Ashby's LoRV. But I'm open to changing my mind on that. 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