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<p>was he the guy who named the Higgs Boson the "God Particle"?</p>
<p>GPT sez: <br>
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<li>The nickname "God particle" was popularized by the media and
comes from the title of the book "The God Particle: If the
Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question?" by physicist
Leon Lederman.</li>
<li>Lederman originally wanted to call it the "Goddamn particle"
because it was so difficult to detect, but his publisher
shortened it to "God particle" for a more appealing title.</li>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Steve wrote "In this split
between the ultra-rational and the mystic I am more an
agnostic than anything, not convinced of either having
primacy ".</span><br>
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<div dir="auto">This reminds me of a conversation I had with my
boss at the Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, a Division of
Carnegie Mellon. He was a devout Catholic and a particle
physicist. I asked him how he reconciled his faith and his
work. He said, "Two different worlds."</div>
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<div dir="auto">Frank</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 9:04 AM
steve smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com"
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<div> EricS/DaveW
<blockquote type="cite">Meanwhile, the program of living,
including all its events of choosing, is not contained
within the formal system. Alongside the formal system,
the program of living as it is realized is yet-another
thing in the world, of a different kind.</blockquote>
<p>This is downright poetic. <br>
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<p>It echoes Schweitzer's "I am life that wills to live, in
the midst of life that wills to live." which I tend to
generalize to "Life is that which wills to live amongst
that which wills to live".</p>
<p>And Schopenhauer's "Life is a language in which certain
truths are conveyed to us; if we could learn them in some
other way, we should not live." Many things you
reference related to language reminds me of Schopenhauer's
proto-thoughts from another era in his "The World as Will
and Representation"</p>
<p>I appreciated your acknowledgement of DaveWs willingness
ability to articulate-in/defer-to an analytic language or
stylization of expression while holding true to his inner
experience which is of a different kind. (as I understood
it). I attribute "effing the ineffable" to him, though
that may be my projection. I find it brilliant.<br>
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<p>In this split between the ultra-rational and the mystic I
am more an agnostic than anything, not convinced of either
having primacy but rather finding them both persuasive in
their own domains and useful even to myself as I wander
between them or walk a fine line just one side or the
other noticing the other-other as phantasms dancing just
beyond some veil. Perhaps having my corpus callosum
split would help me return to the naive but perhaps more
natural state implied by Julian Jayne's "Bicameral Mind"
concept (recently re-introduced here by Jochen, tyvm). I
can't say that the meta-cognitive dissonance the
co-munnication causes me much distress but I suspect that
it is a source of a lot of my correspondents disconcert
with some of my method/madness seeming conflations? Let
the muddle proceed...<br>
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<p>In a sociospiritual domain, what you say about "choice"
resonates with my own experience of probability vs
possibility. Life is that which seeks to exploit
probabilities to explore possibilities more efficiently
(amongst other systems following the same program)?</p>
<p>this is getting deep and layered as it always does when I
attempt to <i>eff the ineffable</i> ... but the central
theme of emergence appears to be the generalization of
this? <br>
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<p>Glen, if he has been able to wade this deep in my mumbled
musings, has tried (I believe) to raise something like
this when he has railed against (or merely questioned) the
use of the term "levels" to talk (I think) about
emergence? it is all tied in with the semiotics of
affordances as well? Guerin has endured this question
from me before... <br>
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<p>Mumble,</p>
<p> - Steve<br>
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