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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link="#467886" vlink="#96607D" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>It might be interesting to train a LLM on cellular automata rules to teach it how to design or detect reversible vs. destructive processes; to understand causality in operational terms.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Zingale<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 28, 2024 12:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> friam@redfish.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Clocks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Marcus,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Not bad first steps. It knows how to describe the construction of a clock (an atomic beam, recognition of electron states, etc...), now for it to complete the task. What additional steps would I need to prompt, write, describe, etc... for it to find examples not already in the convex hull of its training? What about the reliability condition? Once it has its atomic clock "in hand", how do I set it loose to discover additional reliable clocks? What I liked most about your (transduction?) post on qualia is the emphasis on doings free from natural language.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Steve,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333'>I thought about the coupled resonances angle, which to some extent got me wondering whether the machine would need to have/be a reliable time-keeping mechanism itself. Also, the lever. I was curious if this was too low hanging? People often joke that if you know you have a hammer then everything is a nail, but what if you need a hammer? It seems like I might be able to generate (via genetic algorithm or something?) an endless unit test file, but I suspect that the tests would quickly become inconsistent.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Anyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333'>One thing I am finding interesting about polycomputing is the lack of original intent an organ, process or artifact needs to have for another agent to find any use in that organ, process or artifact. Exaptation seems related to function seeking behavior, of course it also need not be.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>