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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/7/24 9:43 AM, glen wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:46ee4819-c5e8-4483-9efe-bd530778c666@gmail.com">Why? Why
would you burn that energy to perform such a task?
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<p><snark> because as with all technology for all of time, <br>
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<p>"because we can"</p>
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<p>I agree/realize that in our rush to embrace "the next cool
thing" it is easy to get carried away... like with the
(relative) excesses of Car Races and Barnstorming at the dawn of
personal transportation. <br>
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<p>I feel my own self-dissatisfaction with the seduction I feel
for chatting with GPT as a "bar friend" as much as I do... a
*real* bar friend would only consume order 100W at most to bend
his/her brain around my nonsensical suppositions and
investigations... I doubt GPT is so efficient. Also, if the
brew we are quaffing is of local production, a lot of the energy
we are processing from gut-biome to glucose/blood-alcohol into
our brains (and stool-sat butt-flexors) came directly from the
sunlight falling near by on fields of grain and hops. <br>
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<p>Specifically to Stephen's particular application du jour, I share
a certain fascination with the way GPT/LLMs can so adeptly expand
the dimensionality of my maunderings for/with me. I don't always
believe it does it in what I would call responsible or even
useful-to-me space, but it does allow/suggest some opening up of
my parallaxical aperture (as does most any conversation with you,
Glen... ) but you are more the 100W version with a specific unique
perspective vs the order(s)of magnitude higher energy abuse
version of GPT. <br>
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<p>Compared to the Million or so miles I drove in cars, trucks,
motorcycles, airplanes in my life "just because I could" in my
life, I think my LLM indulgences are still somewhat small, but do
threaten to overtake quietly... just as standing by a gas-pump to
fill a 20gallon tank with $20 gallons of petrol (and a $1 quart of
motor oil and some free air in my leaky tires) to then drive
across the state, as a young adult felt like effing magic, so does
casually asking GPT every inane question I can think of for
$20/month (or free if I prefer)... I should definitely wire in
my GPT usage to a rowing machine and only allow myself to ask as
many questions (or carry on as many discussions) as my own energy
input into the grid (or noosphere) would allow if there were an
actual connection. <br>
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<p>I think I'll ask an LLM the best way to go about that, and get
back to you!</p>
<p>- Steve<br>
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On 8/6/24 18:05, Stephen Guerin wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">Glen writes:
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>We had identities like "head" (kid who does lots of drugs),
"jock" (kids who spent lots of time in organized athletics),
"brain" (kids who spent time doing chess, math, ...), etc. There
was also a name for the [metal|wood|…] shop kids. But I've
forgotten it.
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Ala the ElfSelector and Consciousness Table, I asked GPT to
generate 30 highschool social groups from the 80, 3 orthogonal
vectors with semantic meaning to separate them and 3 questions
to ask you to put you in the space.
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://guerin.acequia.io/identityTensor.html">https://guerin.acequia.io/identityTensor.html</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://guerin.acequia.io/identityTensor.html"><https://guerin.acequia.io/identityTensor.html></a>
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literally 40 seconds from prompt to deployed page :-)
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On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 8:30 AM glen <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com">gepropella@gmail.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com"><mailto:gepropella@gmail.com></a>> wrote:
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I'm in an ongoing argument with some of my salon goers about
identity. People seem to straddle its multiple meanings for
rhetorical (or confirmation biasing) purposes, fluidly switching
one context/meaning for another so often and so fluidly as to
prevent me from understanding whatever it is they're saying (or
trying to avoid saying).
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Introspection is rife with such problems, including a six
year old coming to some self-identification/registration as a
member of some crisp class/category. The most recent Bad Faith
rhetoric about identity had to do with "neurodivergent". There
seems to be a trend amongst "the kids these days" to identify as
autistic or ADHD. I mean, I was clearly "different" when I was a
kid. We had identities like "head" (kid who does lots of drugs),
"jock" (kids who spent lots of time in organized athletics),
"brain" (kids who spent time doing chess, math, ...), etc. There
was also a name for the [metal|wood|…] shop kids. But I've
forgotten it.
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Some of us were diagnosed with various labels including some
words we're not supposed to say anymore. Many of my friends had
such conditions. But none of us *identified* as those diagnoses.
The diagnoses seemed almost orthogonal to the identities/tribes.
(I happened to be a member of the heads, jocks, brains, and
"band nerd" tribes; that multi-tribe crossover was part of what
made me feel "different".) And each group had its share of the
same diagnoses.
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It seems to me that our tech-associated, individualistic,
isolation has driven "the kids" to over-emphasize their
diagnoses, to adopt them as identities/tribes, identifying from
the inside->out; whereas we (can't speak for anyone else,
really) mostly identified from the outside->in. We were
sorted by society. The kids these days seem more self-sorted. On
the one hand, that could feel like increased liberty and free
association. But on the other hand, it's like everyone is a
home-schooled weirdo these days and nobody knows how to, for
example, bite their tongue or avoid picking their nose in
public.
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Not everybody needs to be a Hunter S Thompson,
"neurodivergent", or whatever. Some of us should be allowed to
identify as "normal". Introspection is a sickness.
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On 8/5/24 17:01, steve smith wrote:
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> I jumped straight to the Artistic meaning of
/frottage/ as coined originally by Max Ernst and while not as an
act of psychopathy, it does have strong implications for the
psychological/subconscious implications in this context?
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>
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> In any case, I find it a compelling opening line of
the /call me Ishmael/ caliber.
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>
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> On 8/5/24 10:04 AM, Prof David West wrote:
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>> This is very interesting, and timely. I am
completing an autobiography/essay/monograph for which this will
be quite relevant. The opening lines of the work:
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>>
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>> /"An act of frottage triggered the
self-recognition that I was a psychopath. I did not, of course,
know either term or their meanings./
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>> /
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>> /
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>> /I was six." /
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>>
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>> davew
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>>
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>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2024, at 11:03 AM, glen wrote:
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>> > Progress or Pathology? Differential Diagnosis
and Intervention Criteria
<br>
>> > for Meditation-Related Challenges:
Perspectives From Buddhist
<br>
>> > Meditation Teachers and Practitioners
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>> >
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7403193/">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7403193/</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7403193/"><https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7403193/></a>
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>> >
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>> > Based on our conversation attempting to
identify behavioral markers for
<br>
>> > consciousness, I thought this paper might
give some insight into Dave's
<br>
>> > straddling of mystical and materialistic
descriptions of experiences he
<br>
>> > marks as conscious. In the paper, they lay
out 11 levers for making the
<br>
>> > distinction:
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>> >
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>> > • Circumstances of Onset
<br>
>> > • Control
<br>
>> > • Critical Attitude
<br>
>> > • Cultural Compatibility
<br>
>> > • Distress
<br>
>> > • Duration
<br>
>> > • Functional Impairment
<br>
>> > • Health History or Condition
<br>
>> > • Impact
<br>
>> > • Phenomenological Qualities
<br>
>> > • Teachers’ Skills or Resources
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>> >
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>> > From my perspective that consciousness is a
kind of fusion function,
<br>
>> > Control, Critical Attitude, Distress, and
Functional Impairment are
<br>
>> > primary and the rest are secondary. The
ability to (change one's) focus
<br>
>> > of attention is a hallmark of consciousness,
and those 4 levers
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>> > direclty target one's ability to focus.
Duration may well be secondary
<br>
>> > and the rest tertiary, I guess. Because
there's something like a
<br>
>> > half-life of controllability. If, say, you're
a conspiracy theorist,
<br>
>> > and you *entertain*, say, flat earth for long
enough, maybe you'll lack
<br>
>> > the ability to re-focus and don a critical
attitude. Similarly, if you
<br>
>> > embed into, say, procedural programming long
enough, maybe you'll lose
<br>
>> > the ability to re-focus and think
functionally ... a kind of Functional
<br>
>> > Impairment (sorry for the polysemy of
"functional", there).
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>> >
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