<p dir="ltr">And pithy.</p>
<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 5, 2024, 11:27 AM Nicholas Thompson <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>So in what sense and for what purposes is this pithy aphorism useful? What exactly is the pith?<br></div><div><br></div><div>If a metaphor, what is truth in the metaphor, the positive analog. Nobody ever said that all metaphors are <i>entirely</i> wrong.</div><div><br></div><div>and yes, I am being pissy.</div><div><br></div><div>n<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 5, 2024 at 11:04 AM steve smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>All <i>Pithy Aphorisms</i> are wrong, some are useful?<br>
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<div>On 10/5/24 9:06 AM, Prof David West
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<div style="font-family:Arial">my affection for the quote derives
from a metaphorical reading, not a literal one. Something akin
to Steve's differential rates of evolution. I also would have
eschewed 'god like' in favor of 'magical' ala Clarke's dictum
about any sufficiently advanced technology.<br>
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<div>On Fri, Oct 4, 2024, at 8:46 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:<br>
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<div>I think that this way of talking about emotions precludes
careful thought. First of all, neurologizing emotions is
just to hide the pea under the wrong thimble. I don't think
paleolithologizig helps much more. Glen is correct that,
whatever an emotion is, its inputs and outputs are
ontogenetically and culturally determined. So, fear, for
instance, is a relation between something that we take to be
threatening and something that we hope will be avoidance.
Inputs and outputs are everything. The rest is just
arousal.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at
7:01 PM steve smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>>
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<div>Emotions/Limbic systems evolve at genetic rates,
institutions evolve at <br>
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<div> social/cultural rates (maybe the fastest significant
change can <br>
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<div> happen/resolve is in multiple lifetimes?) but
technology is advancing at <br>
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<div> must faster rates?<br>
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<div> Or is this wrong(headed) also?<br>
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<div> On 10/4/24 3:43 PM, glen wrote:<br>
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<div> > None of that is true, however romantic it might
sound. Depending on <br>
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<div> > how one defines "emotion", that smells the most
true. But the <br>
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<div> > mechanisms of emotion are as coupled to current
reality as is every <br>
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<div> > part of our bodies. To suggest that, say, the
Space Force or methods <br>
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<div> > like quantitative easing are medieval is just
nonsense. Technology is <br>
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<div> > more democratized than it has ever been. Granted,
it takes (a lot) of <br>
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<div> > work to familiarize oneself with something like
how GPS works or how <br>
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<div> > to NOT click on that phishing email. But to
suggest that it's <br>
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<div> > "godlike" says more about the person than it does
about the state of <br>
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<div> > On 10/4/24 11:16, Prof David West wrote:<br>
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<div> >> /"The real problem of humanity is the
following: we have Paleolithic <br>
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<div> >> emotions, medieval institutions, and godlike
technology. And it is <br>
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<div> >> terrifically dangerous."/ Edward O. Wilson.<br>
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