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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">A belief
later espoused by the Unabomber. </span></p>
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<p>My "Gaia Shrugs more Bigly" may well be me channeling ole
Kaczynski hisself. I think Wilson's quote was in his 2000ish
"Conscilience"? I don't know if K made a similar observation? I
did read his manifesto back in the day but it is long integrated
into my (weakly) associative memory (tinyLLM?).<br>
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<p><For whomever might care or remember><br>
</p>
<p>At LAN(S)L the mailroom/system ramped up their worries that the
Unabomber might (obviously?) target one of us... I think it was
triggered by the first death (1985) he caused? This lasted about
a year, and then the Cold war had thawed, the Iron Curtain fallen,
and USSR disbanded (sortof) and all their Nukes were called home.</p>
<p>It did lead to a lot of discussion (both in 85 and 95) about the
various orders or hierarchies of presumed moral
responsibility/implications around the work we did (ranging from
presumably fundamentally ?purely? humanitarian through variations
on mundane to the variations on acutely inhumane (EWPs, EMPs, Davy
Crockett, etc). <br>
</p>
<p>This was not a new conversation (e.g. Oppenheimer, et al vs
Teller et al, etc) and it spread from "might we ignite the
atmosphere?" to "gray goo" and bioterror speculations. I was
proud that (at least) a few Weapon's Designers/Cold Warriors
starting with Oppy, continuing with Agnew and Hecker unto
Pedecini. I'm far from current (well over a decade... dunno if
anyone is chatting this up inside LANL anymore?)</p>
<p>Re: Kaczynski: I often forget how close we live to Florence ADX
Supermax until I drive that route to/from Denver which reminds me
of the myriad ?terrorists/criminals/psychopaths? (homegrown and
imported) we've experienced in my adulthood.<br>
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<p><strong>ADX Florence</strong> (also known as the <strong>United
States Penitentiary, Administrative Maximum Facility</strong>
or "Supermax") in <strong>Florence, Colorado</strong>, is a
high-security federal prison that houses some of the most
notorious and dangerous criminals in the U.S. The facility is
known for its extreme security measures and solitary confinement
practices. <br>
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<p>Here are some of the more notable inmates who are housed at ADX
Florence who have variously used mail, shoes, underwear, rental
trucks, and airliners to bomb their targets somewhat unconcerned
about collateral:<br>
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<h3><font size="2"><strong>1. Ted Kaczynski (The Unabomber)</strong>:</font></h3>
<ul>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Crime</strong>: A former
mathematician and domestic terrorist responsible for a
nationwide bombing campaign between 1978 and 1995, which
killed three people and injured 23.</font></li>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Sentence</strong>: Life
imprisonment without parole (since 1998).</font></li>
</ul>
<h3><font size="2"><strong>2. Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán</strong>:</font></h3>
<ul>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Crime</strong>: The infamous
Mexican drug lord and former leader of the <strong>Sinaloa
Cartel</strong>, one of the most powerful drug
trafficking organizations in the world.</font></li>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Notoriety</strong>: Known for his
daring prison escapes in Mexico and his role in
drug-related violence. He was extradited to the U.S. in
2017, convicted in 2019, and sentenced to life in prison.</font></li>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Sentence</strong>: Life
imprisonment plus 30 years (since 2019).</font></li>
</ul>
<h3><font size="2"><strong>3. Ramzi Yousef</strong>:</font></h3>
<ul>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Crime</strong>: The mastermind
behind the <strong>1993 World Trade Center bombing</strong>,
which killed six people and injured over 1,000.</font></li>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Other Notable Acts</strong>: He was
also involved in the <strong>Bojinka Plot</strong>, a
plan to bomb multiple airliners.</font></li>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Sentence</strong>: Life
imprisonment plus 240 years (since 1998).</font></li>
</ul>
<h3><font size="2"><strong>4. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev</strong>:</font></h3>
<ul>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Crime</strong>: One of the
perpetrators of the <strong>2013 Boston Marathon bombing</strong>,
which killed three people and injured over 260 others.</font></li>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Status</strong>: Initially
sentenced to death in 2015, though there have been legal
challenges and appeals regarding the sentence.</font></li>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Sentence</strong>: Currently
sentenced to death, pending appeals.</font></li>
</ul>
<h3><font size="2"><strong>5. Richard Reid (The "Shoe Bomber")</strong>:</font></h3>
<ul>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Crime</strong>: Reid attempted to
detonate explosives hidden in his shoes during a <strong>2001
American Airlines flight</strong> from Paris to Miami.</font></li>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Sentence</strong>: Life
imprisonment without the possibility of parole (since
2003).</font></li>
</ul>
<h3><font size="2"><strong>6. Zacarias Moussaoui</strong>:</font></h3>
<ul>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Crime</strong>: Convicted for his
role in the <strong>9/11 attacks</strong>, though he was
not one of the hijackers. He was found guilty of
conspiring with al-Qaeda to commit terrorism.</font></li>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Sentence</strong>: Life
imprisonment without parole (since 2006).</font></li>
</ul>
<h3><font size="2"><strong>7. Robert Hanssen</strong>:</font></h3>
<ul>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Crime</strong>: A former FBI agent
convicted of <strong>spying for the Soviet Union and
Russia</strong> for more than two decades. His actions
are considered one of the worst intelligence breaches in
U.S. history.</font></li>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Sentence</strong>: Life
imprisonment without parole (since 2002).</font></li>
</ul>
<h3><font size="2"><strong>8. Terry Nichols</strong>:</font></h3>
<ul>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Crime</strong>: An accomplice in
the <strong>1995 Oklahoma City bombing</strong>, which
killed 168 people and injured hundreds. The attack was the
deadliest act of domestic terrorism in U.S. history at the
time.</font></li>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Sentence</strong>: Life
imprisonment without parole (since 1997).</font></li>
</ul>
<h3><font size="2"><strong>9. Eric Rudolph</strong>:</font></h3>
<ul>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Crime</strong>: The perpetrator of
the <strong>1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing</strong>
in Atlanta, which killed two people and injured more than
100. Rudolph was also responsible for bombing abortion
clinics and a gay nightclub.</font></li>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Sentence</strong>: Life
imprisonment without parole (since 2005).</font></li>
</ul>
<h3><font size="2"><strong>10. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab (The
"Underwear Bomber")</strong>:</font></h3>
<ul>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Crime</strong>: Abdulmutallab
attempted to detonate an explosive device hidden in his
underwear during a <strong>2009 flight to Detroit</strong>.</font></li>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Sentence</strong>: Life
imprisonment without parole (since 2012).</font></li>
</ul>
<h3><font size="2"><strong>11. Mutulu Shakur</strong>:</font></h3>
<ul>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Crime</strong>: A former member of
the <strong>Black Liberation Army</strong> and stepfather
of rapper <strong>Tupac Shakur</strong>, he was convicted
for his role in a series of armed robberies in the 1980s,
including the <strong>Brinks armored truck robbery</strong>,
which left two police officers and a guard dead.</font></li>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Sentence</strong>: 60 years,
released on parole in 2022.</font></li>
</ul>
<h3><font size="2"><strong>12. Michael Swango</strong>:</font></h3>
<ul>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Crime</strong>: A former doctor and
serial killer who was convicted of poisoning patients and
colleagues.</font></li>
<li><font size="2"><strong>Sentence</strong>: Life
imprisonment without parole (since 2000).</font></li>
</ul>
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<p><font size="2">And let's not forget Woody Harrelson's Father, the
gangland hitman extra-ordinaire ?</font></p>
<p><font size="2">I believe we have our own (near) Weatherman in
house?<br>
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Friam <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>steve smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 4, 2024 11:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] nice quote<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"The
real problem of humanity is the following: we have
Paleolithic emotions, medieval institutions, and
godlike technology. And it is terrifically dangerous."</span></i><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
Edward O. Wilson.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>This is a favorite quote for me of late... the challenge,
methinks is "what am I going to do about it?"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I try to resolve these questions for myself before I get too
carried away trying to prescribe anything for anyone else
(especially large scale/global solutions), yet it is useful to
keep this in mind whilst considering what I think is 'best for
the collective'.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Maturing and Aging have offered me some perspective and
relief from the emotional component (especially the
fight/flight reproduce-at-all cost hormone driven ones).
Similarly I've now seen (and studied) a variety of
socio-economic-political systems enough to have at least
vaguely informed opinions about them (unlike the totally
mis-informed ones I had leading me to vote Reagan in over
Carter as my first vote). The technological question is more
near and dear to my heart having been simultaneously (or
alternately?) a technophile and a luddite.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I have dabbled in 19th century (and earlier) technology to
help ground my grounding in the mid-late 20th century I grew
up as part of the background. I've been lucky enough to
engage some with 21st century tech early by virtue of working
at an over-funded scientific laboratory which often either had
access to or was developing for it's own ideosyncratic
reasons, things which the public wouldn't see or maybe even
hear about for decades. It was heady. But also
disturbing. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Yuval Harari's latest book <i>Nexus</i>, touches on the
implications of our "information technology" development over
millenia but especially the last few decades with a very
*liberal* view of what means information technology (and
networks in particular). Continuing his other cautionary
tales about the power of our "storytelling", I feel like he
lays the groundwork for the most likely way we might
recalibrate emotions to institutions to technology. Our
technology has been pulling hard against the drag of our
institutions which are faithfully trying to drag our emotions
(e.g. religious/political/cultural moral frameworks) and the
impedance mismatch seems to be the source of most of our worst
behaviours/outcomes?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The stories our modern MAGA/FauxRepublican/FauxConservative
political party in the US is telling is rooted deeply in the
emotional with only the barest nod to the institutional
(support LawNorder!!!!) and a jealous greedy eye for the
godlike tech (e.g. Trump cozying up to Musk/TechBros and NFTs
and Crypto as if he understands ANY of it?). <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The Progressive/Liberal "institutions" of the DNC seem to be
a little less regressive/reactionary but do in fact suffer
some of the same problems albeit not as acutely superficially
obvious. Without bashing the specifics of what "the Dems"
might be getting wrong, if we don't notice the impedance
mismach EO Wilson called out for us there, we are destined to
have raucous "ringing" in our systems? I think the promise
of a "Green New Deal" juxtaposed with some of the biggest
obvious fallacies and inadequacies are a good example... by
the time we actually settle on what a GND might really look
like the challenges and opportunities may have moved on by a
decade or more (is GND a whole decade old as a term yet?)
while MAGA keeps trying to claim "we believe in clean air and
water but sea level rise will be fractions of an inch in
centuries at worst and will yield more beachfront property in
any case"? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>How do we move our collective storytelling to be both
coherent and aligned with the physics/chemistry/bio/ecology of
Gaia quickly enough to quit driving the various components
past their limits (drill baby drill!)?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Maybe we cannot. Maybe we will have to crash and burn and
hope something can rise from the ashes (cockroaches and the
Rolling Stones? NeoLibertarian TechBros in their high-tech
Bitcoin Bunkers raising their own clones?)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Atlas Shrugs, Gaia Shrugs more Bigly.... (Rand, Margulis,
Dilbert, Trump references convolved?)<o:p></o:p></p>
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