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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/5/24 10:03 PM, Nicholas Thompson
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        <div>sorry.</div>
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        <div>....discredited 30 years earlier (in the 50's)<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 5, 2024 at 7:59 PM
          steve smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com"
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            <p>Marcus - I tried to sort your point...  I appreciated the
              (simplistic but potent?) NYT American Myths bit, but not
              clear if we are talking about the same Kazcynski?  While
              he did (obviously) take the position colinear with "might
              makes right" ("right justifies might?") I don't think he
              was ever a proponent of taking from the planet or any
              *other* excepting the lives (and will to continue) of
              those who would through willful ignorance or ignorant
              willfulness do thus themselves?<br>
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            <p>A few years ago Mary's movie buff son in Austin took us
              to see Errol Flynn's "American Dharma" which reflects her
              son's affection for Errol Flynn's work as much as his
              disgust with Bannon.  It's title, drawn from Bannon's own
              use of the term dharma as "one's moral duty or destiny". 
              That *does* seem to be what these three creatures
              (characters, caricatures?) might have in common?  Their
              individual ideosyncratic views of what their "righteous
              paths" might be?    I'm no fan of any of the three, but
              they *do* seem to be pretty authentic to their inner
              twisted sense of "self" and "destiny"?</p>
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            <div>On 10/5/24 12:32 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">The
                    myths of America seems to be at the root of so much
                    of this.  The idea that we can take from the planet
                    (or the solar system) from the “other”, and each
                    other with no consequence somehow gets rationalized
                    by the likes of Kaczynski, Musk, or Bannon as the
                    essential property of freedom.  Exploitation and the
                    exercise of power is all there is, in this view.</span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><a
href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/05/opinion/trump-harris-american-myths.html?unlocked_article_code=1.P04.XPoB.77hNAmC3lb8K&smid=url-share"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/05/opinion/trump-harris-american-myths.html?unlocked_article_code=1.P04.XPoB.77hNAmC3lb8K&smid=url-share</a></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                          style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Friam
                        <a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a>
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>steve smith<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 5, 2024 9:53 AM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] nice quote</span></p>
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                <blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">A
                      belief later espoused by the Unabomber. </span></p>
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                <p>My "Gaia Shrugs more Bigly" may well be me channeling
                  ole Kaczynski hisself.  I think Wilson's quote was in
                  his 2000ish "Conscilience"?  I don't know if K made a
                  similar observation?  I did read his manifesto back in
                  the day but it is long integrated into my (weakly)
                  associative memory (tinyLLM?).</p>
                <p><For whomever might care or remember></p>
                <p>At LAN(S)L the mailroom/system ramped up their
                  worries that the Unabomber might (obviously?) target
                  one of us...  I think it was triggered by the first
                  death (1985) he caused?   This lasted about a year,
                  and then the Cold war had thawed, the Iron Curtain
                  fallen, and USSR disbanded (sortof) and all their
                  Nukes were called home.</p>
                <p>It did lead to a lot of discussion (both in 85 and
                  95) about the various orders or hierarchies of
                  presumed moral responsibility/implications around the
                  work we did (ranging from presumably fundamentally
                  ?purely? humanitarian through variations on mundane to
                  the variations on acutely inhumane (EWPs, EMPs, Davy
                  Crockett, etc).   </p>
                <p>This was not a new conversation (e.g. Oppenheimer, et
                  al vs Teller et al, etc) and it spread from "might we
                  ignite the atmosphere?" to "gray goo" and bioterror
                  speculations.  I was proud that (at least) a few
                  Weapon's Designers/Cold Warriors starting with Oppy,
                  continuing with Agnew and Hecker unto Pedecini.   I'm
                  far from current (well over a decade... dunno if
                  anyone is chatting this up inside LANL anymore?)</p>
                <p>Re: Kaczynski:  I often forget how close we live to
                  Florence ADX Supermax until I drive that route to/from
                  Denver which reminds me of the myriad
                  ?terrorists/criminals/psychopaths? (homegrown and
                  imported) we've experienced in my adulthood.</p>
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                  <p><strong><span
                        style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">ADX
                        Florence</span></strong> (also known as the <strong><span
                        style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">United
                        States Penitentiary, Administrative Maximum
                        Facility</span></strong> or "Supermax") in <strong><span
                        style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Florence,
                        Colorado</span></strong>, is a high-security
                    federal prison that houses some of the most
                    notorious and dangerous criminals in the U.S. The
                    facility is known for its extreme security measures
                    and solitary confinement practices. </p>
                  <p>Here are some of the more notable inmates who are
                    housed at ADX Florence who have variously used mail,
                    shoes, underwear, rental trucks, and airliners to
                    bomb their targets somewhat unconcerned about
                    collateral:</p>
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                    <h3><strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">1.
                          Ted Kaczynski (The Unabomber)</span></strong><span
                        style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
                    <ul type="disc">
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: A former
                          mathematician and domestic terrorist
                          responsible for a nationwide bombing campaign
                          between 1978 and 1995, which killed three
                          people and injured 23.</span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
                          without parole (since 1998).</span></li>
                    </ul>
                    <h3><strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">2.
                          Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán</span></strong><span
                        style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
                    <ul type="disc">
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: The infamous Mexican
                          drug lord and former leader of the <strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sinaloa Cartel</span></strong>,
                          one of the most powerful drug trafficking
                          organizations in the world.</span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Notoriety</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: Known for his daring
                          prison escapes in Mexico and his role in
                          drug-related violence. He was extradited to
                          the U.S. in 2017, convicted in 2019, and
                          sentenced to life in prison.</span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
                          plus 30 years (since 2019).</span></li>
                    </ul>
                    <h3><strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">3.
                          Ramzi Yousef</span></strong><span
                        style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
                    <ul type="disc">
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: The mastermind behind
                          the <strong><span
                              style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">1993
                              World Trade Center bombing</span></strong>,
                          which killed six people and injured over
                          1,000.</span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Other
                            Notable Acts</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: He was also involved
                          in the <strong><span
                              style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Bojinka
                              Plot</span></strong>, a plan to bomb
                          multiple airliners.</span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
                          plus 240 years (since 1998).</span></li>
                    </ul>
                    <h3><strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">4.
                          Dzhokhar Tsarnaev</span></strong><span
                        style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
                    <ul type="disc">
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: One of the
                          perpetrators of the <strong><span
                              style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">2013
                              Boston Marathon bombing</span></strong>,
                          which killed three people and injured over 260
                          others.</span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Status</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: Initially sentenced
                          to death in 2015, though there have been legal
                          challenges and appeals regarding the sentence.</span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: Currently sentenced
                          to death, pending appeals.</span></li>
                    </ul>
                    <h3><strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">5.
                          Richard Reid (The "Shoe Bomber")</span></strong><span
                        style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
                    <ul type="disc">
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: Reid attempted to
                          detonate explosives hidden in his shoes during
                          a <strong><span
                              style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">2001
                              American Airlines flight</span></strong>
                          from Paris to Miami.</span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
                          without the possibility of parole (since
                          2003).</span></li>
                    </ul>
                    <h3><strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">6.
                          Zacarias Moussaoui</span></strong><span
                        style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
                    <ul type="disc">
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: Convicted for his
                          role in the <strong><span
                              style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">9/11
                              attacks</span></strong>, though he was not
                          one of the hijackers. He was found guilty of
                          conspiring with al-Qaeda to commit terrorism.</span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
                          without parole (since 2006).</span></li>
                    </ul>
                    <h3><strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">7.
                          Robert Hanssen</span></strong><span
                        style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
                    <ul type="disc">
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: A former FBI agent
                          convicted of <strong><span
                              style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">spying
                              for the Soviet Union and Russia</span></strong>
                          for more than two decades. His actions are
                          considered one of the worst intelligence
                          breaches in U.S. history.</span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
                          without parole (since 2002).</span></li>
                    </ul>
                    <h3><strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">8.
                          Terry Nichols</span></strong><span
                        style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
                    <ul type="disc">
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: An accomplice in the
                          <strong><span
                              style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">1995
                              Oklahoma City bombing</span></strong>,
                          which killed 168 people and injured hundreds.
                          The attack was the deadliest act of domestic
                          terrorism in U.S. history at the time.</span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
                          without parole (since 1997).</span></li>
                    </ul>
                    <h3><strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">9.
                          Eric Rudolph</span></strong><span
                        style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
                    <ul type="disc">
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: The perpetrator of
                          the <strong><span
                              style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">1996
                              Centennial Olympic Park bombing</span></strong>
                          in Atlanta, which killed two people and
                          injured more than 100. Rudolph was also
                          responsible for bombing abortion clinics and a
                          gay nightclub.</span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
                          without parole (since 2005).</span></li>
                    </ul>
                    <h3><strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">10.
                          Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab (The "Underwear
                          Bomber")</span></strong><span
                        style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
                    <ul type="disc">
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: Abdulmutallab
                          attempted to detonate an explosive device
                          hidden in his underwear during a <strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">2009 flight to Detroit</span></strong>.</span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
                          without parole (since 2012).</span></li>
                    </ul>
                    <h3><strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">11.
                          Mutulu Shakur</span></strong><span
                        style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
                    <ul type="disc">
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: A former member of
                          the <strong><span
                              style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Black
                              Liberation Army</span></strong> and
                          stepfather of rapper <strong><span
                              style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Tupac
                              Shakur</span></strong>, he was convicted
                          for his role in a series of armed robberies in
                          the 1980s, including the <strong><span
                              style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Brinks
                              armored truck robbery</span></strong>,
                          which left two police officers and a guard
                          dead.</span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: 60 years, released on
                          parole in 2022.</span></li>
                    </ul>
                    <h3><strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">12.
                          Michael Swango</span></strong><span
                        style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
                    <ul type="disc">
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: A former doctor and
                          serial killer who was convicted of poisoning
                          patients and colleagues.</span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                            style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
                          style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
                          without parole (since 2000).</span></li>
                    </ul>
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                <p><span style="font-size:10pt">And let's not forget
                    Woody Harrelson's Father, the gangland hitman
                    extra-ordinaire ?</span></p>
                <p><span style="font-size:10pt">I believe we have our
                    own (near) Weatherman in house?</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                            style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Friam
                          <a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a>
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>steve smith<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 4, 2024 11:53 AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] nice quote</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
                            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"The
                            real problem of humanity is the following:
                            we have Paleolithic emotions, medieval
                            institutions, and godlike technology. And it
                            is terrifically dangerous."</span></i><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">  Edward O. Wilson.</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">davew</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                  <p>This is a favorite quote for me of late...  the
                    challenge, methinks is "what am I going to do about
                    it?"</p>
                  <p>I try to resolve these questions for myself before
                    I get too carried away trying to prescribe anything
                    for anyone else (especially large scale/global
                    solutions), yet it is useful to keep this in mind
                    whilst considering what I think is 'best for the
                    collective'.</p>
                  <p>Maturing and Aging have offered me some perspective
                    and relief from the emotional component (especially
                    the fight/flight reproduce-at-all cost hormone
                    driven ones).   Similarly I've now seen (and
                    studied) a variety of socio-economic-political
                    systems enough to have at least vaguely informed
                    opinions about them (unlike the totally mis-informed
                    ones I had leading me to vote Reagan in over Carter
                    as my first vote).   The technological question is
                    more near and dear to my heart having been
                    simultaneously (or alternately?) a technophile and a
                    luddite.</p>
                  <p>I have dabbled in 19th century (and earlier)
                    technology to help ground my grounding in the
                    mid-late 20th century I grew up as part of the
                    background.  I've been lucky enough to engage some
                    with 21st century tech early by virtue of working at
                    an over-funded scientific laboratory which often
                    either had access to or was developing for it's own
                    ideosyncratic reasons, things which the public
                    wouldn't see or maybe even hear about for decades.  
                    It was heady.  But also disturbing.   </p>
                  <p>Yuval Harari's latest book <i>Nexus</i>, touches
                    on the implications of our "information technology"
                    development over millenia but especially the last
                    few decades with a very *liberal* view of what means
                    information technology (and networks in
                    particular).  Continuing his other cautionary tales
                    about the power of our "storytelling", I feel like
                    he lays the groundwork for the most likely way we
                    might recalibrate emotions to institutions to
                    technology.   Our technology has been pulling hard
                    against the drag of our institutions which are
                    faithfully trying to drag our emotions (e.g.
                    religious/political/cultural moral frameworks) and
                    the impedance mismatch seems to be the source of
                    most of our worst behaviours/outcomes?</p>
                  <p>The stories our modern
                    MAGA/FauxRepublican/FauxConservative political party
                    in the US is telling is rooted deeply in the
                    emotional with only the barest nod to the
                    institutional (support LawNorder!!!!) and a jealous
                    greedy eye for the godlike tech (e.g. Trump cozying
                    up to Musk/TechBros and NFTs and Crypto as if he
                    understands ANY of it?).  </p>
                  <p>The Progressive/Liberal "institutions" of the DNC
                    seem to be a little less regressive/reactionary but
                    do in fact suffer some of the same problems albeit
                    not as acutely superficially obvious.   Without
                    bashing the specifics of what "the Dems" might be
                    getting wrong, if we don't notice the impedance
                    mismach EO Wilson called out for us there, we are
                    destined to have raucous "ringing" in our systems?  
                    I think the promise of a "Green New Deal" juxtaposed
                    with some of the biggest obvious fallacies and
                    inadequacies are a good example...  by the time we
                    actually settle on what a GND might really look like
                    the challenges and opportunities may have moved on
                    by a decade or more (is GND a whole decade old as a
                    term yet?) while MAGA keeps trying to claim "we
                    believe in clean air and water but sea level rise
                    will be fractions of an inch in centuries at worst
                    and will yield more beachfront property in any
                    case"?  </p>
                  <p>How do we move our collective storytelling to be
                    both coherent and aligned with the
                    physics/chemistry/bio/ecology of Gaia quickly enough
                    to quit driving the various components past their
                    limits (drill baby drill!)?</p>
                  <p>Maybe we cannot.  Maybe we will have to crash and
                    burn and hope something can rise from the ashes
                    (cockroaches and the Rolling Stones?  
                    NeoLibertarian TechBros in their high-tech Bitcoin
                    Bunkers raising their own clones?)</p>
                  <p>Atlas Shrugs,  Gaia Shrugs more Bigly....  (Rand,
                    Margulis, Dilbert, Trump references convolved?)</p>
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          <div>Clark University</div>
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