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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/5/24 10:03 PM, Nicholas Thompson
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<div>....discredited 30 years earlier (in the 50's)<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 5, 2024 at 7:59 PM
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<p>Marcus - I tried to sort your point... I appreciated the
(simplistic but potent?) NYT American Myths bit, but not
clear if we are talking about the same Kazcynski? While
he did (obviously) take the position colinear with "might
makes right" ("right justifies might?") I don't think he
was ever a proponent of taking from the planet or any
*other* excepting the lives (and will to continue) of
those who would through willful ignorance or ignorant
willfulness do thus themselves?<br>
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<p>A few years ago Mary's movie buff son in Austin took us
to see Errol Flynn's "American Dharma" which reflects her
son's affection for Errol Flynn's work as much as his
disgust with Bannon. It's title, drawn from Bannon's own
use of the term dharma as "one's moral duty or destiny".
That *does* seem to be what these three creatures
(characters, caricatures?) might have in common? Their
individual ideosyncratic views of what their "righteous
paths" might be? I'm no fan of any of the three, but
they *do* seem to be pretty authentic to their inner
twisted sense of "self" and "destiny"?</p>
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<div>On 10/5/24 12:32 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">The
myths of America seems to be at the root of so much
of this. The idea that we can take from the planet
(or the solar system) from the “other”, and each
other with no consequence somehow gets rationalized
by the likes of Kaczynski, Musk, or Bannon as the
essential property of freedom. Exploitation and the
exercise of power is all there is, in this view.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><a
href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/05/opinion/trump-harris-american-myths.html?unlocked_article_code=1.P04.XPoB.77hNAmC3lb8K&smid=url-share"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/05/opinion/trump-harris-american-myths.html?unlocked_article_code=1.P04.XPoB.77hNAmC3lb8K&smid=url-share</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Friam
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>steve smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 5, 2024 9:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] nice quote</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">A
belief later espoused by the Unabomber. </span></p>
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<p>My "Gaia Shrugs more Bigly" may well be me channeling
ole Kaczynski hisself. I think Wilson's quote was in
his 2000ish "Conscilience"? I don't know if K made a
similar observation? I did read his manifesto back in
the day but it is long integrated into my (weakly)
associative memory (tinyLLM?).</p>
<p><For whomever might care or remember></p>
<p>At LAN(S)L the mailroom/system ramped up their
worries that the Unabomber might (obviously?) target
one of us... I think it was triggered by the first
death (1985) he caused? This lasted about a year,
and then the Cold war had thawed, the Iron Curtain
fallen, and USSR disbanded (sortof) and all their
Nukes were called home.</p>
<p>It did lead to a lot of discussion (both in 85 and
95) about the various orders or hierarchies of
presumed moral responsibility/implications around the
work we did (ranging from presumably fundamentally
?purely? humanitarian through variations on mundane to
the variations on acutely inhumane (EWPs, EMPs, Davy
Crockett, etc). </p>
<p>This was not a new conversation (e.g. Oppenheimer, et
al vs Teller et al, etc) and it spread from "might we
ignite the atmosphere?" to "gray goo" and bioterror
speculations. I was proud that (at least) a few
Weapon's Designers/Cold Warriors starting with Oppy,
continuing with Agnew and Hecker unto Pedecini. I'm
far from current (well over a decade... dunno if
anyone is chatting this up inside LANL anymore?)</p>
<p>Re: Kaczynski: I often forget how close we live to
Florence ADX Supermax until I drive that route to/from
Denver which reminds me of the myriad
?terrorists/criminals/psychopaths? (homegrown and
imported) we've experienced in my adulthood.</p>
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<p><strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">ADX
Florence</span></strong> (also known as the <strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">United
States Penitentiary, Administrative Maximum
Facility</span></strong> or "Supermax") in <strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Florence,
Colorado</span></strong>, is a high-security
federal prison that houses some of the most
notorious and dangerous criminals in the U.S. The
facility is known for its extreme security measures
and solitary confinement practices. </p>
<p>Here are some of the more notable inmates who are
housed at ADX Florence who have variously used mail,
shoes, underwear, rental trucks, and airliners to
bomb their targets somewhat unconcerned about
collateral:</p>
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<h3><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">1.
Ted Kaczynski (The Unabomber)</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: A former
mathematician and domestic terrorist
responsible for a nationwide bombing campaign
between 1978 and 1995, which killed three
people and injured 23.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
without parole (since 1998).</span></li>
</ul>
<h3><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">2.
Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: The infamous Mexican
drug lord and former leader of the <strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sinaloa Cartel</span></strong>,
one of the most powerful drug trafficking
organizations in the world.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Notoriety</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: Known for his daring
prison escapes in Mexico and his role in
drug-related violence. He was extradited to
the U.S. in 2017, convicted in 2019, and
sentenced to life in prison.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
plus 30 years (since 2019).</span></li>
</ul>
<h3><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">3.
Ramzi Yousef</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: The mastermind behind
the <strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">1993
World Trade Center bombing</span></strong>,
which killed six people and injured over
1,000.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Other
Notable Acts</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: He was also involved
in the <strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Bojinka
Plot</span></strong>, a plan to bomb
multiple airliners.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
plus 240 years (since 1998).</span></li>
</ul>
<h3><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">4.
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: One of the
perpetrators of the <strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">2013
Boston Marathon bombing</span></strong>,
which killed three people and injured over 260
others.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Status</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: Initially sentenced
to death in 2015, though there have been legal
challenges and appeals regarding the sentence.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: Currently sentenced
to death, pending appeals.</span></li>
</ul>
<h3><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">5.
Richard Reid (The "Shoe Bomber")</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: Reid attempted to
detonate explosives hidden in his shoes during
a <strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">2001
American Airlines flight</span></strong>
from Paris to Miami.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
without the possibility of parole (since
2003).</span></li>
</ul>
<h3><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">6.
Zacarias Moussaoui</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: Convicted for his
role in the <strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">9/11
attacks</span></strong>, though he was not
one of the hijackers. He was found guilty of
conspiring with al-Qaeda to commit terrorism.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
without parole (since 2006).</span></li>
</ul>
<h3><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">7.
Robert Hanssen</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: A former FBI agent
convicted of <strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">spying
for the Soviet Union and Russia</span></strong>
for more than two decades. His actions are
considered one of the worst intelligence
breaches in U.S. history.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
without parole (since 2002).</span></li>
</ul>
<h3><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">8.
Terry Nichols</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: An accomplice in the
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">1995
Oklahoma City bombing</span></strong>,
which killed 168 people and injured hundreds.
The attack was the deadliest act of domestic
terrorism in U.S. history at the time.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
without parole (since 1997).</span></li>
</ul>
<h3><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">9.
Eric Rudolph</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: The perpetrator of
the <strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">1996
Centennial Olympic Park bombing</span></strong>
in Atlanta, which killed two people and
injured more than 100. Rudolph was also
responsible for bombing abortion clinics and a
gay nightclub.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
without parole (since 2005).</span></li>
</ul>
<h3><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">10.
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab (The "Underwear
Bomber")</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: Abdulmutallab
attempted to detonate an explosive device
hidden in his underwear during a <strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">2009 flight to Detroit</span></strong>.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
without parole (since 2012).</span></li>
</ul>
<h3><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">11.
Mutulu Shakur</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: A former member of
the <strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Black
Liberation Army</span></strong> and
stepfather of rapper <strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Tupac
Shakur</span></strong>, he was convicted
for his role in a series of armed robberies in
the 1980s, including the <strong><span
style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Brinks
armored truck robbery</span></strong>,
which left two police officers and a guard
dead.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: 60 years, released on
parole in 2022.</span></li>
</ul>
<h3><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">12.
Michael Swango</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">:</span></h3>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Crime</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: A former doctor and
serial killer who was convicted of poisoning
patients and colleagues.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Sentence</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10pt">: Life imprisonment
without parole (since 2000).</span></li>
</ul>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt">And let's not forget
Woody Harrelson's Father, the gangland hitman
extra-ordinaire ?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10pt">I believe we have our
own (near) Weatherman in house?</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Friam
<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>steve smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 4, 2024 11:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] nice quote</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"The
real problem of humanity is the following:
we have Paleolithic emotions, medieval
institutions, and godlike technology. And it
is terrifically dangerous."</span></i><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Edward O. Wilson.</span></p>
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<p>This is a favorite quote for me of late... the
challenge, methinks is "what am I going to do about
it?"</p>
<p>I try to resolve these questions for myself before
I get too carried away trying to prescribe anything
for anyone else (especially large scale/global
solutions), yet it is useful to keep this in mind
whilst considering what I think is 'best for the
collective'.</p>
<p>Maturing and Aging have offered me some perspective
and relief from the emotional component (especially
the fight/flight reproduce-at-all cost hormone
driven ones). Similarly I've now seen (and
studied) a variety of socio-economic-political
systems enough to have at least vaguely informed
opinions about them (unlike the totally mis-informed
ones I had leading me to vote Reagan in over Carter
as my first vote). The technological question is
more near and dear to my heart having been
simultaneously (or alternately?) a technophile and a
luddite.</p>
<p>I have dabbled in 19th century (and earlier)
technology to help ground my grounding in the
mid-late 20th century I grew up as part of the
background. I've been lucky enough to engage some
with 21st century tech early by virtue of working at
an over-funded scientific laboratory which often
either had access to or was developing for it's own
ideosyncratic reasons, things which the public
wouldn't see or maybe even hear about for decades.
It was heady. But also disturbing. </p>
<p>Yuval Harari's latest book <i>Nexus</i>, touches
on the implications of our "information technology"
development over millenia but especially the last
few decades with a very *liberal* view of what means
information technology (and networks in
particular). Continuing his other cautionary tales
about the power of our "storytelling", I feel like
he lays the groundwork for the most likely way we
might recalibrate emotions to institutions to
technology. Our technology has been pulling hard
against the drag of our institutions which are
faithfully trying to drag our emotions (e.g.
religious/political/cultural moral frameworks) and
the impedance mismatch seems to be the source of
most of our worst behaviours/outcomes?</p>
<p>The stories our modern
MAGA/FauxRepublican/FauxConservative political party
in the US is telling is rooted deeply in the
emotional with only the barest nod to the
institutional (support LawNorder!!!!) and a jealous
greedy eye for the godlike tech (e.g. Trump cozying
up to Musk/TechBros and NFTs and Crypto as if he
understands ANY of it?). </p>
<p>The Progressive/Liberal "institutions" of the DNC
seem to be a little less regressive/reactionary but
do in fact suffer some of the same problems albeit
not as acutely superficially obvious. Without
bashing the specifics of what "the Dems" might be
getting wrong, if we don't notice the impedance
mismach EO Wilson called out for us there, we are
destined to have raucous "ringing" in our systems?
I think the promise of a "Green New Deal" juxtaposed
with some of the biggest obvious fallacies and
inadequacies are a good example... by the time we
actually settle on what a GND might really look like
the challenges and opportunities may have moved on
by a decade or more (is GND a whole decade old as a
term yet?) while MAGA keeps trying to claim "we
believe in clean air and water but sea level rise
will be fractions of an inch in centuries at worst
and will yield more beachfront property in any
case"? </p>
<p>How do we move our collective storytelling to be
both coherent and aligned with the
physics/chemistry/bio/ecology of Gaia quickly enough
to quit driving the various components past their
limits (drill baby drill!)?</p>
<p>Maybe we cannot. Maybe we will have to crash and
burn and hope something can rise from the ashes
(cockroaches and the Rolling Stones?
NeoLibertarian TechBros in their high-tech Bitcoin
Bunkers raising their own clones?)</p>
<p>Atlas Shrugs, Gaia Shrugs more Bigly.... (Rand,
Margulis, Dilbert, Trump references convolved?)</p>
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