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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I think there is a significant component of misogyny as there was with Hillary.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>And this isn’t good:<br><br></span><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/11/hispanic-voters-fleeing-democratic-party/671851/?gift=IwTom6kf_sPDx8WzuZ66aVn98hxjIoTSsvXwC0B1XRw&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share">https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/11/hispanic-voters-fleeing-democratic-party/671851/?gift=IwTom6kf_sPDx8WzuZ66aVn98hxjIoTSsvXwC0B1XRw&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share</a><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of Jochen Fromm <jofr@cas-group.net><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 6, 2024 at 2:26 PM<br><b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Yes, it feels like it. It is depressing. I really hoped Kamala would win. If inflation was one of the main reasons behind the outcome of the election then people have made a mistake. It is a problem here in Europe too. The reasons have been as far as I know the Coronavirus pandemic, the war in Ukraine and the low interest rates to stabilize the economy after the pandemic. It was not the fault of Biden and Harris.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>There was a documentary in TV recently where the journalist interviewed an American couple somewhere in one of the swing states if they could imagine voting for Harris, and the woman said no, because there would be only male leaders in the Bible, and therefore she could not vote for a woman. I was a bit shocked to here this attitude in the 21th century.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>-J.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>From: Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff@gmail.com> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Date: 11/6/24 10:40 PM (GMT+01:00) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Yes, of course we're doomed. Our living systems (including human governance and compassion) began collapsing long before now.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>On Wed, Nov 6, 2024 at 1:34 AM Jochen Fromm <<a href="mailto:jofr@cas-group.net">jofr@cas-group.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I woke up today and saw the horrific news on TV that Trump has won again. It is incredibly bad on many levels. It is bad for the environment. The world will not be able to stop global warming without the U.S. It is bad for Ukraine as well. To me it feels like the end of civilization and democracy. The people who voted for him probably do not read Paxton, Arendt or Levitsky and Ziblatt. Or do not care.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/562246/how-democracies-die-by-steven-levitsky-and-daniel-ziblatt/">https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/562246/how-democracies-die-by-steven-levitsky-and-daniel-ziblatt/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I <span style='color:black'>was wondering how this is possible. If we define populism as an ideology that presents "the people" as a morally good force and contrasts them against "the elite", who are portrayed as corrupt and self-serving then this could be a reason why Trump is so successful. He is good at populism because he is corrupt and self-serving himself, and uses projection to accuse others.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'><a href="https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/308163/what-is-populism-by-muller-jan-werner/9780141987378">https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/308163/what-is-populism-by-muller-jan-werner/9780141987378</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>What do you think? Why have people voted for him although they know what kind of person he his? Are we doomed now? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>-J.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>.- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-..<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom <a href="https://bit.ly/virtualfriam">https://bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br>to (un)subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br>archives: 5/2017 thru present <a href="https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/">https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</a><br> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 <a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailsignatureprefix><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>-- </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.<br>Center for Emergent Diplomacy<br><a href="http://emergentdiplomacy.org">emergentdiplomacy.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><br>mobile: (303) 859-5609<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>