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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>The difference with large scale production of Starship, remote fueling stations, and so on is that there is a large component of work that can be delegated to the kind of people that might otherwise be doing welding, construction, etc. Gates or the Biden Moonshot, in contrast, give money to people that might otherwise be putting in NIH grants – white color workers. For the non-research charitable work of the Gates foundation, the recipients aren’t usually going to be U.S. voters. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>My hypothesis is that the Twitter acquisition was intended to be part of a propaganda machine to develop Space X at the trillion-dollar scale with help from the U.S. government. (Meanwhile, Bezos knows he’s has nearly lost in this sector and so he was backpedaling with the Washington Post non-endorsement.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of glen <gepropella@gmail.com><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 9:03 AM<br><b>To: </b>friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] Mars and Trump<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I feel like we're making some kind of category error, here. Populating space isn't a righty issue. It just happens to be championed by people who prioritize that over, say, feeding the poor, which makes it sound righty. If we hearken back to old sci-fi, many of them posited socialist societies (e.g. Star Trek). So it can be righty or lefty. (Same goes for Seasteading and AI in art, imnsho.)<br><br>That implies that what you're really asking is where are the lefty champions for any vision, be the vision lefty or neutral? I mean, Gates champions things like eliminating various diseases and poor living conditions ... and has large projects to effect them. There exist things like the constitutional rewriting group, with quite a bit of effort in analyzing and fixing the flaws in the rule of law. In healthcare, despite what the population thinks, everything I've been involved with targets personalized medicine and huge sums of money are thrown at that every year. Similarly, we had the cancer and brain "moonshots". Etc. And directly targeting your question, we have the various STEAM efforts to get young people into those fields (albeit not particular to men).<br><br>So we don't lack for the public works projects. What we lack are the charismatic (lunatic, billionaire) champions for them. It seems like yet more Great Man prejudice. It's difficult to think that, say, the Calculus or Quantum Mechanics emerged naturally from the zeitgeist. It's easier to attribute it to 1 Great Man, even if that's mostly false.<br><br>On 11/7/24 07:55, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>> Oops, dog stepped on the keyboard. Restarting..<br>> <br>> I haven’t seen an article on this hypothesis, so I thought I’d jot it down.<br>> <br>> Elon Musk wants make humanity multiplanetary. Maybe he really cares about that, maybe he wants to do mining or something else. In any case, he has poured a lot of money into Starship and is close to having that platform working. There’s this famous photo of early construction:<br>> <br>> Here’s the photo <a href="https://www.livescience.com/spacex-starship-sn20-photo-history.html">https://www.livescience.com/spacex-starship-sn20-photo-history.html</a> <<a href="https://www.livescience.com/spacex-starship-sn20-photo-history.html">https://www.livescience.com/spacex-starship-sn20-photo-history.html</a>><br>> <a href="https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/with-a-single-photo-spacex-sent-a-not-so-subtle-message-to-faa-regulators/">https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/with-a-single-photo-spacex-sent-a-not-so-subtle-message-to-faa-regulators/</a> <<a href="https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/with-a-single-photo-spacex-sent-a-not-so-subtle-message-to-faa-regulators/">https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/with-a-single-photo-spacex-sent-a-not-so-subtle-message-to-faa-regulators/</a>><br>> <br>> <br>> As the Arstechnica article explains, it was probably provided as a form of propaganda.<br>> <br>> Since then, Musk bought Twitter and uses it as a platform to agitate right wing topics, especially among young men. Most recently, he spent millions getting Trump elected.<br>> <br>> Blue collar jobs in the places like the Rust Belt have been on the decline for years, being displaced by cheaper labor and automation.<br>> <br>> So, there’s a significant pool of available workers for building rockets, but scaling this all up is limited by regulatory oversight. One could see how Musk would want to engage these frustrated young men to displace such a government and replace it one with one that was easier to manipulate. Further, he can then employ them on a large government funded project where he is the sole contractor.<br>> <br>> In this scenario, Trump (or Vance, etc.) can (opportunistically) claim to be forward looking and concerned with the financial health of the working class.<br>> <br>> My question is: Where’s the Democrat’s answer to this kind public works project for young men with limited education? I suppose the IRA could do that, but the money hasn’t really started to be spent.<br>> <br>> Marcus<br>> <br>> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of Marcus Daniels <marcus@snoutfarm.com><br>> *Date: *Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 7:33 AM<br>> *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br>> *Subject: *[FRIAM] Mars and Trump<br>> <br>> Hi,<br>> <br>> I haven’t seen an article on this hypothesis, so I thought I’d jot it down.<br>> <br>> Elon Musk wants make humanity multiplanetary. Maybe he really cares about that, maybe he wants to do mining. In any case, he has poured a lot of money into Starship and is close to having that platform working. There’s this fairly famous photo of construction:<br>> <br><br><br>-- <br>ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ<br><br>.- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-..<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom <a href="https://bit.ly/virtualfriam">https://bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br>to (un)subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br>archives: 5/2017 thru present <a href="https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/">https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</a><br> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 <a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>