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<p>Thanks for the links Jochen...</p>
<p>A little online noodling discovers that the US OASI (old age and
survivors) benefits (social security) runs about $1T/income and
US digital nomadism currently represents about $2.5T/yr income
which might be a solid 10% of the US GDP. <br>
</p>
<p>If half of the (as per electorate) were to "take their ball and
go abroad" that would be a significant (but not debilitatating)
drain from the US economy? *new* digital nomads (as well as
existing) seem likely to be more represented among progressives?
I'm not fully aware of the taxation implications but the *domestic
spending* that moves out-of-country seems significant. <br>
</p>
<p>Best I can tell, current rules don't disenfranchise ex-patriots
as long as they maintain US citizenship while living/working
abroad... though a major move to this could lead the
masterGerryMander-VoteSuppression caucus to revise those
rules/policies/laws. Wouldn't it reslly gripe some red-hatted
asses if blue-hearted retirees and tech workers moved their voting
addresses to Red unto Purple locales and then promptly took their
money abroad? <br>
</p>
<p>I can imagine various countries seeking these $$ to flow into
their economies... but with threats of the AMOC overturning it's
not clear where one wouldn't just be wandering into the jaws of
"climate change".</p>
<p>My parents "fled" Appalachia post WWII for opportunities in the
West and their ancestors "fled" Europe at various times for the
opportunities in "the New World"... so I suppose it isn't to
"unpatriotic" to flee the "Greater Nazi Reich" (PK Dick) or
"Gilead" (Atwood).</p>
<p>At 17 I was prepared to "flee" the country that was dead set on
turning me into a killer (or get me killed by someone as innocent
as I) for what was becoming more and more obvious a misbegotten
geopolitical move, nothing like what it was sold as. Then I felt
obliged to "never come back" since it felt like I was "abandoning"
my country. Today, my allegences are a bit broader (all
humans/life/self-organizing-systems/all-one)? <br>
</p>
<p>FWIW I'm not actively shopping for a new country but am more
understanding of those who are contemplating such in their "fight
or flight" response.<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/10/24 9:21 AM, Jochen Fromm
wrote:<br>
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baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Some scientists
expected that Trump would win and moved early on to Europe,
for example John Carlos Baez who moved to Edinburgh in
Scotland </span></p>
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If you think about leaving a future Trumpistan then the following
article might be interesting. <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
white-space-collapse: preserve;" dir="auto">Forbes lists
countries welcoming Americans with open arms: Spain, Italy,
France, and Canada are among them</span>
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style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal;
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates:
normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align:
baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2024/11/06/want-to-leave-the-us-the-best-countries-for-americans-to-move-to/">https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2024/11/06/want-to-leave-the-us-the-best-countries-for-americans-to-move-to/</a></span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr">I
believe Australia, Ireland and New Zealand are also good choices
simply because of the language.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/08/americans-interested-in-moving-abroad-skyrocket-after-trumps-win.html">https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/08/americans-interested-in-moving-abroad-skyrocket-after-trumps-win.html</a></p>
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