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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>My sense is that Poilievre is like Trump in that he uses simplified messaging and populist tactics to appeal to voters, and that there is an appetite for that. I haven’t been following Canadian news for a few years, though. When I did, my impression was that the reactionaries in BC sounded like reactionaries in the United States. The population is bigger in the United States and there are more guns, so the tail is a little heavier here for realizing full-on crazy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Sure, I’ll take neoliberalism and globalism over populism and economic nationalism. A little more democratic socialism would be welcome here but need higher taxes to make it real.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Marcus<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of Patrick Reilly <patrick.reilly@ipsociety.net><br><b>Date: </b>Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 10:34 AM<br><b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject: </b>[FRIAM] Canada Souring on Neoliberal Leaders?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Question for Marcus:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I live in Santa Cruz, CA, and my wife is dual national US/Can, so your thinking behind this comment could be very helpful to me:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>"Now Canada seems to be souring on neoliberal leaders too. I think I’ll cross that one off the list."<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Please expand. I'm not aware of either the current PM Justin Trudeau or Conservative Party leader Pierre Poilievre (the leading contenders for the next term of PM) are offering any policies leading away from neoliberal thinking. Also, are you a fan of neoliberalism?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Or is your concern about BC only?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> BTW, I'm 68 (happily practicing Patent/IP Law as a solo firm) and my wife is a dual citizen of Canada and the US. As a total aside, I am US born and raised and have dual US/EU citizenship.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Any thoughts from any addresses hereto regarding alternative residencies would be most welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>----- Pat<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and confidential information. 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To reply to our email administrator directly, please send an email to <a href="mailto:patrick.reilly@ipsociety.net" target="_blank">patrick.reilly@ipsociety.net</a>.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 10:11 AM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>When we moved to the Bay Area, expenses did go up compared to Santa Fe. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>However, our combined and individual incomes both went up more. Whatever disadvantages exist here, I can’t imagine giving that up. In contrast, a colleague moved to London, and they cut his salary by 30% while his housing costs stayed about the same. The ideal thing would be to be a digital nomad and keep a coastal blue state income. In 2018 or so I was thinking about BC as an option. But Canada also has significantly lower salaries, and it was a better income to work remote in the U.S. for a Canadian company. Now Canada seems to be souring on neoliberal leaders too. I think I’ll cross that one off the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> on behalf of Gary Schiltz <<a href="mailto:gary@naturesvisualarts.com" target="_blank">gary@naturesvisualarts.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 9:11 AM<br><b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] Want to leave the U.S.?</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>My ship has already sailed, so to speak. Moved to Ecuador 16 years<br>ago. At this point, I'm not sure the advantages (low cost of living,<br>year-round springlike temperatures at my altitude of 6500 feet)<br>outweigh the negatives (crime, unstable government, undependable<br>police force). But it's home now for better or worse. With Karen's and<br>my social security combined, we live a middle class life pretty<br>easily. If that got cut off, we would be up shit creek. And if we<br>moved back to the states, we would either be in poverty or blow<br>through the savings in a couple of years, or I'd have to look for<br>software jobs at 66 years old. Usually people move from the third<br>world to the USA to escape poverty, and it's ironic that we're here,<br>partly to avoid poverty. Reverse economic refugees. I think there are<br>many in this country (mostly in Cuenca) who moved from the USA for<br>that very reason.<br><br>On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 11:22 AM Jochen Fromm <<a href="mailto:jofr@cas-group.net" target="_blank">jofr@cas-group.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Some scientists expected that Trump would win and moved early on to Europe, for example John Carlos Baez who moved to Edinburgh in Scotland<br>><br>> <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/@johncarlosbaez/112721900506353931" target="_blank">https://mathstodon.xyz/@johncarlosbaez/112721900506353931</a><br>><br>><br>> If you think about leaving a future Trumpistan then the following article might be interesting. Forbes lists countries welcoming Americans with open arms: Spain, Italy, France, and Canada are among them<br>><br>> <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2024/11/06/want-to-leave-the-us-the-best-countries-for-americans-to-move-to/" target="_blank">https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2024/11/06/want-to-leave-the-us-the-best-countries-for-americans-to-move-to/</a><br>><br>><br>> I believe Australia, Ireland and New Zealand are also good choices simply because of the language.<br>><br>> <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/08/americans-interested-in-moving-abroad-skyrocket-after-trumps-win.html" target="_blank">https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/08/americans-interested-in-moving-abroad-skyrocket-after-trumps-win.html</a><br>><br>><br>> -J.<br>><br>><br>> .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-..<br>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom <a href="https://bit.ly/virtualfriam" target="_blank">https://bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br>> to (un)subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com" target="_blank">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>> FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br>> archives: 5/2017 thru present <a href="https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/" target="_blank">https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</a><br>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 <a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/" target="_blank">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a><br><br>.- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-..<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom <a href="https://bit.ly/virtualfriam" target="_blank">https://bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br>to (un)subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com" target="_blank">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br>archives: 5/2017 thru present <a href="https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/" target="_blank">https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</a><br> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 <a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/" target="_blank">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>.- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-..<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom <a href="https://bit.ly/virtualfriam" target="_blank">https://bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br>to (un)subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com" target="_blank">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br>archives: 5/2017 thru present <a href="https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/" target="_blank">https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</a><br> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 <a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/" target="_blank">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>