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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Oh, I interviewed at a company in Australia once. Sounded terrific and thought I was on the fast track with immigration as you say. But then they dropped several U.S. candidates, and me, when they learned of salary expectations. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Reminds me of working for DOE and the crazy overhead. “You can do whatever you want, but because of lab overhead, you have exactly one funding source, and that’s us.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of J Dalessandro <j03d@protonmail.com><br><b>Date: </b>Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 4:19 PM<br><b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] Want to leave the U.S.?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I moved to New Zealand in 2015 and then Australia in 2016 so happy to provide the rosetta stone for those two countries. Spoiler - almost everyone I've ever encountered on this list would be on the "immediate skills shortage list" which accelerates immigration for both countries. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Lots of upside, like $1USD = $1.51AUD, socialised medicine, mandatory employer backed saving for retirement, plenty of space (size of continental USA with a population of 25M). Downsides such as island continent. If it isn't made or grown here it is expensivo. Plus, 14 hours by air if you leave family behind in the USA.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Joe<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>---<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>j03d@protonmail.com<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Sent with <a href="https://proton.me/mail/home" target="_blank">Proton Mail</a> secure email. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>On Monday, 11 November 2024 at 03:21, Jochen Fromm <jofr@cas-group.net> wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'>Some scientists expected that Trump would win and moved early on to Europe, for example John Carlos Baez who moved to Edinburgh in Scotland </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'>https://mathstodon.xyz/@johncarlosbaez/112721900506353931</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>If you think about leaving a future Trumpistan then the following article might be interesting. <span style='color:black'>Forbes lists countries welcoming Americans with open arms: Spain, Italy, France, and Canada are among them</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'>https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2024/11/06/want-to-leave-the-us-the-best-countries-for-americans-to-move-to/</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'>I believe Australia, Ireland and New Zealand are also good choices simply because of the language.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'>https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/08/americans-interested-in-moving-abroad-skyrocket-after-trumps-win.html<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'>-J.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>