<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Arial;">I see a bit more to it.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">Gaetz had to resign, <b>immediately</b>.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> He says, so that his seat can be filled in 8 weeks, early January.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> I say, because the ethics committee report was due to be released tomorrow and it will be damning.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">Trump sees a three-fer: <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> 1-express his personal contempt for the DOJ<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> 2-at least a frisson of terror in the hearts of his political enemies like Pelosi<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> 3-removing an obstacle to his using the House and House leadership (Gaetz would be an obstacle because he is vainer than Trump)<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">Gaetz will withdraw before the Senate considers his nomination; either because the House report will be leaked to the Senate (maybe the public) or the FBI will reconstruct the report's essential findings and provide to the Senate. <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div>On Thu, Nov 14, 2024, at 10:45 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div dir="ltr"><div>I think Gaetz is chum. There will be a grand fight, the Senate will feel virtuous for standing up to Trump, but they will be less inclined to fight so hard against the next clown nominee, and Gaetz will return in another role.<br></div><div><br></div><div>-- rec --<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 14, 2024 at 8:28 AM glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com">gepropella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div>On the brighter side, though:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> The Onion Says It Has Bought Infowars, Alex Jones’s Site, Out of Bankruptcy<br></div><div> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/business/media/alex-jones-infowars-the-onion.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Z04.Wiwi.UMUgUSO1vzUW&smid=url-share" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/business/media/alex-jones-infowars-the-onion.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Z04.Wiwi.UMUgUSO1vzUW&smid=url-share</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> And:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Jury awards Abu Ghraib detainees $42 million, holds contractor responsible<br></div><div> <a href="https://apnews.com/article/abu-ghraib-civil-trial-iraq-virginia-3a2841ec2892fb111b4e26a70e761208" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://apnews.com/article/abu-ghraib-civil-trial-iraq-virginia-3a2841ec2892fb111b4e26a70e761208</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> A friend of mine is abject. I try to console her and fail, almost surely because I'm a middle class white man. Her retort always comes back to the idea that no matter what the stupid "arc of the moral universe" will eventually do, in the meantime many people (some of whom are her personal friends) will suffer and die needlessly. I regard this as yet another adverse effect of individualism. Yes, individual Americans will suffer more under a[nother] Trump admin. But look around, suffering is not the exception. It's the rule. The suffering of an individual organism is not merely some hallucinatory side effect. It's the mechanism of action, despite what the gaslighting Pinker-esque Utopians say or write in their hopium-ridden books and press releases. If an individual is *not* suffering (or is delusionally ignoring it), they're part of the problem.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> So despite the brighter side above, I'll leave us with this one:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> At Seattle’s Boeing Field, Real-Time Video Offers a Rare Glimpse of America’s Troubled Deportation Flights<br></div><div> <a href="https://www.propublica.org/article/seattle-boeing-field-ice-deportation-flights" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.propublica.org/article/seattle-boeing-field-ice-deportation-flights</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> On 11/14/24 04:16, Santafe wrote:<br></div><div> > This article (apologies for paywall; I don’t know how to send an open version)<br></div><div> > <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/13/opinion/matt-gaetz-attorney-general-trump.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/13/opinion/matt-gaetz-attorney-general-trump.html</a><br></div><div> > is another example of missing the point, I think.<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > It’s all about messaging, and the campaign of demoralization. The puzzle that the trumper inside-group spends their time on is “What is the loudest way we can say I wipe my ass with your `rule of law’?”<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > So it is important to pick the lowest, both in terms of depravity and incompetence, to put as lords over the best, to prove that they can’t get out from under it.<br></div><div> > <br></div><div> > I don’t think I “feel” anything about this, except that it is very important and I would like to understand the response to it. 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