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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>It may end up that way, but I think he really wants an extremist to realize revenge on the DOJ and media.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of Roger Critchlow <rec@elf.org><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, November 14, 2024 at 8:46 AM<br><b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] signaling<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I think Gaetz is chum. There will be a grand fight, the Senate will feel virtuous for standing up to Trump, but they will be less inclined to fight so hard against the next clown nominee, and Gaetz will return in another role.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>-- rec --<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>On Thu, Nov 14, 2024 at 8:28 AM glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com">gepropella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>On the brighter side, though:<br><br>The Onion Says It Has Bought Infowars, Alex Jones’s Site, Out of Bankruptcy<br><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/business/media/alex-jones-infowars-the-onion.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Z04.Wiwi.UMUgUSO1vzUW&smid=url-share" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/business/media/alex-jones-infowars-the-onion.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Z04.Wiwi.UMUgUSO1vzUW&smid=url-share</a><br><br>And:<br><br>Jury awards Abu Ghraib detainees $42 million, holds contractor responsible<br><a href="https://apnews.com/article/abu-ghraib-civil-trial-iraq-virginia-3a2841ec2892fb111b4e26a70e761208" target="_blank">https://apnews.com/article/abu-ghraib-civil-trial-iraq-virginia-3a2841ec2892fb111b4e26a70e761208</a><br><br>A friend of mine is abject. I try to console her and fail, almost surely because I'm a middle class white man. Her retort always comes back to the idea that no matter what the stupid "arc of the moral universe" will eventually do, in the meantime many people (some of whom are her personal friends) will suffer and die needlessly. I regard this as yet another adverse effect of individualism. Yes, individual Americans will suffer more under a[nother] Trump admin. But look around, suffering is not the exception. It's the rule. The suffering of an individual organism is not merely some hallucinatory side effect. It's the mechanism of action, despite what the gaslighting Pinker-esque Utopians say or write in their hopium-ridden books and press releases. If an individual is *not* suffering (or is delusionally ignoring it), they're part of the problem.<br><br>So despite the brighter side above, I'll leave us with this one:<br><br>At Seattle’s Boeing Field, Real-Time Video Offers a Rare Glimpse of America’s Troubled Deportation Flights<br><a href="https://www.propublica.org/article/seattle-boeing-field-ice-deportation-flights" target="_blank">https://www.propublica.org/article/seattle-boeing-field-ice-deportation-flights</a><br><br><br>On 11/14/24 04:16, Santafe wrote:<br>> This article (apologies for paywall; I don’t know how to send an open version)<br>> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/13/opinion/matt-gaetz-attorney-general-trump.html" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/13/opinion/matt-gaetz-attorney-general-trump.html</a><br>> is another example of missing the point, I think.<br>> <br>> It’s all about messaging, and the campaign of demoralization. The puzzle that the trumper inside-group spends their time on is “What is the loudest way we can say I wipe my ass with your `rule of law’?”<br>> <br>> So it is important to pick the lowest, both in terms of depravity and incompetence, to put as lords over the best, to prove that they can’t get out from under it.<br>> <br>> I don’t think I “feel” anything about this, except that it is very important and I would like to understand the response to it. At the end, only effectiveness gets you back under a living circumstance you consider acceptable.<br>> <br>> Eric<br><br><br>-- <br>ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ<br><br>.- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-..<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom <a href="https://bit.ly/virtualfriam" target="_blank">https://bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br>to (un)subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com" target="_blank">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br>archives: 5/2017 thru present <a href="https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/" target="_blank">https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</a><br> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 <a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/" target="_blank">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>