<div dir="ltr">I take this (was it sarcasm?) seriously. My intention is to use AI without causing annoyance, though it seems I might not have succeeded this time. The last thing I want is to avoid contributing my own human thoughts and opinions to the discussion. That said, when we’re dealing with unknown facts, I believe it’s reasonable to turn to AI for a fresh perspective or to help fill in gaps where I lack the answers — much like Glen asking Claude to summarize the podcast. <br><br>We’re all still learning how to navigate this new AI-enabled world, and I genuinely want to do so while maintaining positive and constructive human interactions. If I misstepped, please let me know — I’m open to feedback.<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 at 05:02, Patrick Reilly <<a href="mailto:patrick.reilly@ipsociety.net">patrick.reilly@ipsociety.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">AI drivel, eh?<br clear="all"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">Sent from Gmail Mobile</div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 16:29 Pieter Steenekamp <<a href="mailto:pieters@randcontrols.co.za" target="_blank">pieters@randcontrols.co.za</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I asked MS Copilot and she gave the following answer:<br><br>Me:<br><div id="m_-8627932468771445569m_-4676998394336003968gmail-kVJFm4H9DEix4XwjUhe8R-user-message" aria-labelledby="kVJFm4H9DEix4XwjUhe8R-user-message"><div><div>Please help clarify this for me? In an interview, Javier Milei, the President of Argentina, made two seemingly contradictory claims: (a) 50,000 public employees were laid off, and (b) not a single job was lost. How can both statements be true? What actually happened in Argentina over the past year?</div></div></div><div aria-labelledby="hYAdp4vzzmNspxuFP59c7-author hYAdp4vzzmNspxuFP59c7-content"><div id="m_-8627932468771445569m_-4676998394336003968gmail-hYAdp4vzzmNspxuFP59c7-content"><p>MS Copilot:<br>Javier Milei's statements might seem contradictory at first, but they can be understood in the context of his broader economic policies and the specific actions taken by his administration.</p><h3>What Happened in Argentina</h3><ol start="1"><li><p><strong>Layoffs of Public Employees</strong>:</p><ul><li><p>Javier Milei's administration laid off a significant number of public employees. Reports indicate that around 50,000 state employees were laid off as part of his efforts to reduce government spending and streamline the public sector<span style="opacity:1"><button id="m_-8627932468771445569m_-4676998394336003968gmail-:r81:" aria-expanded="false" aria-controls=":r80:" aria-label="Citation 2" type="button">2</button></span>. This move was part of a broader strategy to cut public spending and reduce the national deficit.</p></li></ul></li><li><p><strong>Economic Context</strong>:</p><ul><li><p>Argentina has been facing severe economic challenges, including high inflation and a struggling economy. Milei's administration has implemented various austerity measures to address these issues, which included reducing the number of public sector employees.</p></li></ul></li><li style="opacity:1"><p><strong>Private Sector Job Creation</strong>:</p><ul><li><p>Despite the layoffs in the public sector, Milei's administration has been focused on creating jobs in the private sector. The claim that "not a single job was lost" likely refers to the overall employment situation, where the administration aims to offset public sector job losses with private sector job creation. This approach is intended to stimulate economic growth and reduce the burden on the state.</p></li></ul></li></ol><h3>Summary</h3><p>While the layoffs of public employees are a fact, the claim that "not a single job was lost" can be interpreted as an assertion that the overall employment situation has not worsened due to efforts to create jobs in the private sector. This reflects Milei's broader economic strategy of reducing government expenditure while promoting private sector growth.</p><p>Does this help clarify the situation for you?<br><br>References:<br><button type="button" title="Argentina's Javier Milei To Cut 50,000 State Jobs - Reason.com"><a href="http://1reason.com" target="_blank">1reason.com</a></button><button type="button" title="Milei terminates thousands of state employee contracts"><a href="http://2buenosairesherald.com" target="_blank">2buenosairesherald.com</a></button><button type="button" title="Report: Public employment up 34% in Argentina since 2011, private only ..."><a href="http://3www.batimes.com.ar" target="_blank">3www.batimes.com.ar</a></button></p></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 at 01:02, Roger Critchlow <<a href="mailto:rec@elf.org" target="_blank">rec@elf.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">How can you have "laid off 50,000 public employees so far [...] while [...] not losing jobs."? Are public employees not working at jobs? Are jobs not lost if you destroy them on purpose?<div><div><br></div><div>-- rec --</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 10:05 AM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Axios may be on to something. MSNBC is more like therapy than news.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentcolor currentcolor"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> on behalf of Pieter Steenekamp <<a href="mailto:pieters@randcontrols.co.za" target="_blank">pieters@randcontrols.co.za</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 20, 2024 at 8:57 AM<br><b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] Javier Milei<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Claude deserves some applause for doing a solid job summarizing the podcast — well done! The conclusion, "As with any extreme ideology, a degree of skepticism is warranted until real-world evidence validates the theories," seems pretty spot-on. It’s a good reminder that bold ideas often need to prove themselves in the wild.<br><br>I’m genuinely curious to see how things play out in the next year or so. Let’s be honest, Argentina could really use a win when it comes to improving things. Fingers crossed for fewer missteps and more meaningful strides forward!<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 at 18:03, glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com" target="_blank">gepropella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Nearly 2 hrs? No thanks. Here's Claude's summation, FWIW.<br><br>--------------------<br>Claim 1: Milei says he came to understand the ideas of freedom and Austrian economics in 2013-2014 after reading works by Rothbard, Mises, Hayek and others. This caused a "revolution" in his thinking.<br><br>Claim 2: Milei describes himself as an anarcho-capitalist in principle, but a minarchist in practice given real-world constraints. He wants to minimize the state as much as possible.<br><br>Claim 3: Upon taking office, Milei says Argentina had annual inflation heading towards 17,000%, poverty near 50%, fiscal deficits of 15% of GDP, and was on the brink of hyperinflation and economic collapse.<br><br>Claim 4: Milei says his government achieved fiscal balance in its first month, cut ministries by over half, laid off 50,000 public employees so far, cut social plans, and reduced inflation from a 17,000% annual rate to 2.4% in six months, all while avoiding price controls and not losing jobs.<br><br>Claim 5: Milei's goal is to make Argentina the freest country in the world through deregulation and free market reforms. He believes this will dramatically increase GDP per capita.<br><br>Claim 6: Milei is aligned geopolitically with the US and Israel, which he sees as representing freedom and Western liberal democracy against autocracy. He wants stronger trade ties with the US.<br><br>Claim 7: Milei believes free market capitalism is the best system for human cooperation and prosperity. He rejects the notion of market failures and says neoclassical economics enables harmful government interventions.<br><br>In summary, Milei makes bold claims about rapidly improving Argentina's economy through free market policies. More data over time is needed to fully assess the results. His broader philosophical arguments express common libertarian/anarcho-capitalist views, which are influential in some circles but rejected by many mainstream economists and experts. 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