<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">@davew Wow!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Last night I made graphs for the 2020 vs 2024 red shift by county in Michigan. The results were similar</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">for all 3 types of voting machines used in different counties (Dominion, ES&S and Hart).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Two Dominion counties were outliers, Wayne for its red shift, Leelanau for its 2% blue shift.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 10:00 AM <<a href="mailto:friam-request@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-request@redfish.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send Friam mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Election theft conspiracy theory (Prof David West)<br>
2. Re: Election theft conspiracy theory (glen)<br>
<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Prof David West <<a href="mailto:profwest@fastmail.fm" target="_blank">profwest@fastmail.fm</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 10:37:57 -0600<br>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Election theft conspiracy theory<br>In the 1990s, I served on a "Blue Ribbon Committee" that was advising a consortium of Midwest states (WI, MN, IA, SD) reviewing responses to an RFP for voting machines. The most notable item in the RFP was a requirement for a mechanism that would allow the head election official to "correct" vote tallies when "necessary." The mechanism had to bypass the normal audit trail. All of the proposals included such a feature and 'security' was little more than a password.<br>
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Of course, I never saw the code behind the machines that were eventually purchased, but I always suspected that a clever hacker could exploit that feature if, in fact, it was actually implemented. Because of that I have always given, "grain of salt" credibility to claims of voting machine-based fraud.<br>
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On Thu, Nov 21, 2024, at 9:37 AM, glen wrote:<br>
> • I looked around a bit but couldn't find the code they say is easily <br>
> accessible on GitHub. Maybe I just missed it.<br>
><br>
> • It's fine to suggest that having the software allows it to be <br>
> modified such that it could add a ballot. But we need the <br>
> update/install mechanism. Was it sideloaded or did it use a standard <br>
> update and the modification was included upstream? I'm too ignorant of <br>
> how the tabulation machines work to know how plausible such an attack <br>
> is.<br>
><br>
> • Why fake bullet ballots? It seems like whatever templating software <br>
> is used, it would be just as easy to vote straight ticket. But maybe <br>
> there is some issue given state differences? Maybe it's easier to grep <br>
> for Trump than it is for Republican? Plus, there's all those <br>
> initiatives and non-partisan offices.<br>
><br>
> The rest seems reasonable enough for Harris to file a challenge. I <br>
> would. Apparently the deadline in NC is tomorrow?<br>
><br>
> On 11/20/24 14:30, _ Bruno W wrote:<br>
>> Anyone interested in double checking any of this or look at different statistics.<br>
>> I think it would be good to check that voter preference does correlate with voting machine vendor.<br>
>> I was able to get data from Michigan, have not looked beyond there yet.<br>
>> But the data will need to be reformatted to be useful...<br>
>> <a href="https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked</a><br>
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<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com" target="_blank">gepropella@gmail.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 08:33:04 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Election theft conspiracy theory<br>That's excellent! Thanks. Were I Harris, I'd still file (a) challenge(s). One of the reasons Trump is and has been "above the law" is because he knows we're a litigious society. It's normal. So all the cases are thrown out. If you don't play, you can't win. You don't have to be Trumpy in your extracurricular signaling, which is what causes the "... fail[ure] to consider political reasons for the loss and we will undermine confidence in future elections—and our democracy". Plus, filing the challenges in a dispassionate way signals *trust* in the institutions and methods, not distrust.<br>
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On 11/21/24 08:01, Roger Frye wrote:<br>
> Towards the end of this article, Hubbell addresses the bullet ballot claim. He urges caution, debunks much, links to a video of Spoonamore's previous election rigging claims. Many other articles debunk the Starlink connection.<br>
> 72222aec-3d82-4853-a503-97a81f97d827_2992x1984.jpeg<br>
> Addressing claims that the 2024 election was "stolen" <<a href="https://roberthubbell.substack.com/p/addressing-claims-that-the-2024-election" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://roberthubbell.substack.com/p/addressing-claims-that-the-2024-election</a>><br>
> <a href="http://roberthubbell.substack.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">roberthubbell.substack.com</a> <<a href="https://roberthubbell.substack.com/p/addressing-claims-that-the-2024-election" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://roberthubbell.substack.com/p/addressing-claims-that-the-2024-election</a>><br>
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> <<a href="https://roberthubbell.substack.com/p/addressing-claims-that-the-2024-election" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://roberthubbell.substack.com/p/addressing-claims-that-the-2024-election</a>><br>
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>> On Nov 21, 2024, at 8:37 AM, glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com" target="_blank">gepropella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> • I looked around a bit but couldn't find the code they say is easily accessible on GitHub. Maybe I just missed it.<br>
>><br>
>> • It's fine to suggest that having the software allows it to be modified such that it could add a ballot. But we need the update/install mechanism. Was it sideloaded or did it use a standard update and the modification was included upstream? I'm too ignorant of how the tabulation machines work to know how plausible such an attack is.<br>
>><br>
>> • Why fake bullet ballots? It seems like whatever templating software is used, it would be just as easy to vote straight ticket. But maybe there is some issue given state differences? Maybe it's easier to grep for Trump than it is for Republican? Plus, there's all those initiatives and non-partisan offices.<br>
>><br>
>> The rest seems reasonable enough for Harris to file a challenge. I would. Apparently the deadline in NC is tomorrow?<br>
>><br>
>> On 11/20/24 14:30, _ Bruno W wrote:<br>
>>> Anyone interested in double checking any of this or look at different statistics.<br>
>>> I think it would be good to check that voter preference does correlate with voting machine vendor.<br>
>>> I was able to get data from Michigan, have not looked beyond there yet.<br>
>>> But the data will need to be reformatted to be useful...<br>
>>> <a href="https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked</a><br>
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