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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Don't be born a chicken!
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<p>We are on our third crew of laying hens (in 20 years) as our own
way to try to maintain some animal protein in our otherwise
vegetarian diet while minimizing the intrinsic cruelty of
agri-industrial animal product production. I don't know that we
are far from Atwood's ChickieNobs and of course Pigoons (we will
all need a new heart, liver, kidney sometime won't we?). </p>
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<p>I do love me some good Atwoodian Dystopia!</p>
<p>We still consume about a quart of cow-cream and 1/2 lb of butter
a week in our not-shade-grown on-free-trade Trader Joe's coffee
and on our Stir Fried veg (grown in MX in the winter?), Ukrainian
grain-bread toast? We might raise a couple of pygmy goats for
those products yet what would we do with the "boys" when fresh
birthing is required every few years to keep the milk flowing? <br>
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<p>Like all good first-worlders, we have avoided the reality of the
"end of utility" with laying hens by passing them on to other
chicken-free-rangers to either "put out to pasture" or "slaughter"
on their preferred terms. Our last handoff was to a young couple
eager to become "homesteaders" who were from the first two
graduating years of Antioch College (Ohio) reconstructed around a
Permaculture Design Course pattern after a few years of downtime.
They were renting a property in Nambe with a large existing
chicken coop and were happy to give our "girls" a few more years
of egg production followed by a likely "processing into meat"
end... which they understood to be part of the obligation that
raising laying hens came with (that or the out-to-pasture I
mentioned). They "promised" that was their intention.<br>
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<p>My first crew of eggers was 20ish years ago and ended after a
year when I took a "change of station" in Berkeley. We found a
person in La Cienega who already had a couple dozen, willing to
integrate our scant (2 of 12 died in youth) dozen into their
existing laying flock. I honestly don't know how they handled
the "elderly chicken" problem. I expect our current flock (just
starting to lay) will become old-pets and we will suffer their
demise-by-old-age as we do other pets... but at least for a few
years they will process low-grade nutrients (vegetation and
insects) into high-grade (for us) nutrition as eggs.<br>
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<p>Regarding Glen's article "challenging the 'paleo' diet
narrative". I'm sure their reports are generally accurate and in
fact homo-this-n-that have been including significant plant
sources into our diets for much longer than we might have
suspected. Our Gorilla cousins at several times our body mass and
with significantly higher muscle tone live almost entirely on
low-grade vegetation. But the article presents this as if ~1M
years of hominid development across a very wide range of
ecosystems was monolithic? There are still near subsistence
cultures whose primary source of nourishment is animal protein
(e.g. Aleuts, Evenki/Ewenki/Sami)? <br>
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<p>I'm a fan of the "myth of paleo" even though I'm mostly
vegetarian. I like the *idea* of living a feast/famine cycle and
obtaining most of my nutrition from fairly primary/raw sources.
Of course, my modern industrial embedding has me eating avocados
grown on Mexican-Cartel owned farms and almonds grown in the
central valley of California on river water diverted from the
Colorado river basin. <sigh>. <br>
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<p>FWIW the Avocado tree I nurtured for years in my sunroom died
last summer (neglect) after giving up only a few small stunted
fruits in it's lifetime. And the two "cold hardy" almonds I
nurtured for several years in the yard finally produced but turned
out to be a (strangely closely related) stone fruit (miniature
yellow plums!). This year WAS a great harvest of pinon in my
area but being between two hip replacements couldn't be bothered
to go out and "collect the bounty"... market rate is $30/lb these
days... I think Chinese pine nuts go for $10/lb shelled? <br>
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<p>Hell and handbaskets? Seems like it. And I'm the one who
needs to "get off the lawn!" all over the world, but I'm not that
good at it. I live in my gated community (fence to be payed for
by MX of course) and invite a few folks inside to cut my firewood
and clean my (golden) toilets, but other than that, I'd like them
to stay in their place in the (increasingly) inhospitable regions
we've helped create for them (deforested, desertificatied,
monocropped, urban-blighted, climate-modified)...<br>
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<p>And yesterday we celebrated "Jan 6" while reflecting on the life
and times of Jimmy Carter who I helped to oust with my first vote
because... "he was a snowflake"! </p>
<p>Helps me ?forgive? all the young tech-bros who helped sweep the
Trumpster Fire back into the Whitehouse. I invited the
Reagan-Bush dynasty into my world (for decades) that way, who
knows what this next decade or two will look like (probably
punctuated by the singularity?) if I live that long.</p>
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<p> - Steve (aka Helen Handbaskets)</p>
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Subject: [FRIAM] narrative
Archaeological study challenges 'paleo' diet narrative of ancient hunter–gatherers <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://phys.org/news/2025-01-archaeological-paleo-diet-narrative-ancient.html">https://phys.org/news/2025-01-archaeological-paleo-diet-narrative-ancient.html</a>
Renee' convinced me to eat fried chicken the other night. ... Well, OK. She just put it in front of me and my omnivorous nature took over. Fine. It's fine. Everything's fine. But it reminded me of the fitness influencers and their obsession with chicken and [ahem] "protein". Then I noticed the notorious non-sequitur science communicator Andrew Huberman is now platforming notorious motivated-reasoning through evolutionary psychology guru Jordan Peterson. Ugh. And Jan 6 is now a holiday celebrating those morons who broke into the Capitol. Am I just old? Or is the world actually going to hell in a handbasket? Get off my lawn!
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