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<p>the (media) talk of Biden's pre-emptive pardons this morning
seemed to (almost?) suggest that they must be accepted (before he
leaves office?) and we've heard that Gen Milley publicly accepted
his (informally) while others (Kinzinger?) pre-emptively declined
such? I think the issuance of the pardon is key, and as implied
by DaveW's interpretation of "accepting" and Supreme Court
Decisions that "no comment" is the best strategy?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/20/25 12:37 PM, Prof David West
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Re preemptive pardons:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">It is unclear if one must accept a
pardon for it to be valid (Supreme Court decision on a commuted
sentence); but it is clear (earlier Supreme Court decision) that
<b><i>accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt.</i></b><br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">A number of 1-6 convicts plan to
refuse pardons and fight the convicions via the normal appellate
process precisely for this reason.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">On Mon, Jan 20, 2025, at 1:20 PM,
steve smith wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> Glen sed:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> Large deposits of
hydrocarbons: Yeah, it kinda looks like a waste to <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> hoard all that stuff. But
if you think of it like a battery (or a <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> stock in stocks and
flows), some tasks do seem to require a large <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> battery, maybe to get
over some hump with a steep energy curve. The <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> question is who uses it
and for what? If we take Pieter's optimism <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> seriously, maybe our
blowing through the fossil fuel battery does end <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> up getting us over some
hump. E.g. we resolve the Meaning Crisis and <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> come to some high order
conception of computation? Or a metaphysics <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> that closely matches
physics? Or if you believe in a life/biosphere <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> diaspora to the solar
system. But it's touch and go whether we'll <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> collapse (gracefully or
catastrophically) or explode into some new <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> domain that was only
reachable by draining the battery.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> I think it was a Neal
Stephenson fiction which suggested that the Suez <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> Canal was built by
steam-shovels (drag-link earth movers?) fueled by a <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> huge supply of mummies
wrapped in cloth and soaked in crude oil for <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> preservation? Not as dense
as coal, but convenient? Fits right into <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> my sparring with DaveW on
morbid ways to dispose of human remains?<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> I don't know what the Suez
Canal provides lowered friction for, but I'm <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> guessing it is significantly
moving fossil-fuels (mostly liquid? mostly <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> refined?)...<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>><br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> I was avoiding the news
for a month or so after the election. But now <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> my attitude is that we
need a clown like Trump to lay bare our <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> oligarchy. The oligarchy
thrives under Bidens and Obamas just as much <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> as under Putin or Trump.
It's just that the pig has some lipstick on <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> it under the Obamas and
Bidens. It think we'll begin to suss out some <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> of the differences
between the US and, say, Russia or Hungary as we <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> slide a few notches in
that direction. The trick is to be <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">>> disinterested without
becoming disaffected.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> See my maunderings on
bistable, metastable, fascism, etc. Are fascism <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> and oligarchy distinct lobes
in a metastable system? I do think that <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> when Musk threw down for
Trump and the other near-Trillionaire tech-bros <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> joined him, our trajectory
went more toward the oligarchic style of fascism?<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> I'm not watching the
inaugural events but did enjoy being "present" to <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> hear of the Biden pre-emptive
pardons... I'm guessing there are more <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> than a few other "easter
eggs" distributed throughout the day? Any <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> chance someone will give
Trump a tour of the Capitol with special <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> attention to the places his
"patriots" smeared feces? Probably not.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">> Interesting times...<br>
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