<div dir="ltr"><div>Frank,</div><div>And think of how much easier it all would have been with AI assist!</div><div><br></div><div>Nick, </div><div>Can you ask George to give you the first 20 pages of a memoir of a boy growing up in New Mexico in <insert appropriate year range>, including the first few years and every summer until the boy went to university? Be sure to mention that the boy moved on from his rural beginnings to a much more worldly and high-tech career. Tell it you would like the tone to be "comfortingly familiar" for those who might have had similar experiences. Just for kicks, please also name the boy "Frank" :- )</div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Best,<br>Eric<br></span><br><div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:echarles@american.edu" target="_blank"></a></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 9:49\u202fPM Frank Wimberly <<a href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com">wimberly3@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>I wrote a memoir about my life in New Mexico including the first few years and every summer until I went to university. People who read it who know me say they can hear my voice when they read it. LLMs were not available when I wrote it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Frank</div><div><br></div><div>---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 25, 2025, 7:24\u202fPM Pieter Steenekamp <<a href="mailto:pieters@randcontrols.co.za" target="_blank">pieters@randcontrols.co.za</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">DaveW,<br><br>Thank you for your reply. I really appreciate what you said.<br><br>For me, the key thing is to keep our human qualities. I like using AI to help make us better, like when it helps with writing. <br><br>You mentioned that AI can't make writing more eloquent. I agree with this for people who are already good writers. I've read some autobiographies where the writing is so beautiful, it's like AI couldn't match that. But there are others who might need help. AI could make writing easier and better for those who have good ideas but struggle with words.<br><br>I just want to clarify one point from your message about "voice." When AI helps with writing, it's important that the words still sound like me, not like a machine. I saw your point about my writing sounding like ChatGPT instead of me, which wasn't my goal. I aim for AI to enhance my voice, not replace it. <br><br>Improving oneself and one's writing is a great goal. We've all had moments where we wish we could express something as well as someone else. If AI can help make my writing sound better or clearer, I think that's good to use.<br><br>But I agree with you, AI might not make writing more 'eloquent,' just more precise or detailed. So, I would use AI tools carefully, making sure they enhance my own style, not define it.<br><br>Pieter<br><br>Note: I use AI to assist my writing.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 25 Jan 2025 at 17:58, Prof David West <<a href="mailto:profwest@fastmail.fm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">profwest@fastmail.fm</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><u></u><div><div style="font-family:Arial">Pieter, <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">I applaud your use of AI to improve your writing. It is my belief that the<b> "proper"</b> use of AI, along with computers and computing tools in general, is to <u>augment</u> human abilities ala Vannevar Bush's "how we may think," Douglas Englebart's institute, Alan Kay's dynabook, (the fictional Young Ladies Primer of Stephenson's <i>Diamond Age</i>), and Jobs' "bicycle for the mind."<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">This is in direct contrast, it seems, to the sentiments of most on this list who think that AI should, and inevitably will, replace "inferior" human intelligence.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">I am curious if you see any question of "voice" in the AI improved text? For example, I took glen's question as nothing more than an observation that the "voice" of your post seemed to that of ChatGPT instead of Pieter\u2014definitely not <b>"augmented-Pieter,"</b> as I believe you intended it to be.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">All of us respect Pieter and value his words. If, however, we are confused by "voice." it raises issues of how much consideration the writing should receive and how we should respond.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">Improving oneself, and one's writing, is a great goal. And we all have experienced examples of "I wish I had said that," or "I wish I had expressed that idea as eloquently as she did." If AI tools provide wordings that you admire, or feel express your ideas more eloquently, you should adopt them.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">Personally, I do not believe that AI can ever provide more 'eloquent' writing, only more precise or more complete writing. So I, again, strictly personally, would eschew using such tools as currently constructed. I would however, if I had the chance, use Richard Gabriel's tool, <i>Inkwell</i>, which, BTW, he emphatically states is not an AI, to enhance my writing. But Richard is primarily a poet and writer, despite his education and career in AI and computing, and he created <i>Inkwell</i> expressly to be a writer's assistant. I have tremendous respect for Richard's writing and I know he uses Inkwell to enhance his intrinsic abilities.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial">davew<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial"><br></div><div>On Fri, Jan 24, 2025, at 10:48 PM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="m_-6852201116090935451m_3477156454522922223m_906232134401673827qt"><div dir="ltr"><div>I was surprised by the comment "I hope I'm wrong. But that text reads like it was generated by an LLM" At first, I just thought, 'so what?' But it got me thinking about how AI changes how we communicate, which is really important to me.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Here's my main point:<br></div><div><br></div><div>I think it's okay to use others, whether they're people or AI, to help me communicate better, as long as the ideas are mine and I'm not copying someone else's work. If using AI to polish my words bothers someone, we can talk about it.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Here's some background on why I think this way:<br></div><div><br></div><div>a) Learning to communicate is one of the best things you can take away from school or university. For example if a student is supposed to use her own words in an assignment, then using AI or asking someone else to rewrite is wrong.<br></div><div><br></div><div>b) In the workplace, we've always had people like personal assistants or speech writers. I see using AI in the same way, just a modern tool to help.<br></div><div><br></div><div>c) Writing assistance used to be expensive because you needed people. Now, AI can do the job for free, and that doesn't go against what I believe is right.<br></div><div><br></div><div>d) Your writing should still sound like you. So, I write something first, then ask AI to make it better but keep it simple and in my style, like, 'Please make this sound better but keep it easy to understand.' I now realise I violated this previously and will adapt.<br></div><div><br></div><div>e) Maybe it's good, depending on the situation, to mention when you've used AI in your writing.<br></div><div><br></div><div>f) Here's a funny story: I used AI to help write a message for an AI workshop, and someone complimented the writing so much they suggested I should be a writer instead!<br></div><div><br></div><div>My bottom line:<br></div><div><br></div><div>I plan to add a note at the end of each message in this group saying I used AI to help with my writing. 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