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<p>How do we resolve the ideation of "belt tightening" and
"austerity" with open ended growth and aspirations to conspicuous
consumption?<br>
</p>
<p>And Trump's answer is to establish a Sovereign Wealth Fund...
something that only makes sense when you have a *surplus*. His
drill-baby-drill converts the commons (fossil-fuel reserves) to
cash-flow but that doesn't really balance well with tax-cuts (for
the wealthy).</p>
<p>Just watched Canadian Broadcasting Corp piece on the whole
idea... they didn't say so in so many words, but I think he
imagines he is going to achieve something like the Saudi or the
Norwegian SWF, neither of which do we have the basis for. Given
how he handled his "non-profit", I think we know what he has in
mind for a SWF run by the Trump Royal Family (maybe with Barron as
the emergent "Crown Prince" to match MBS?).</p>
<p>I also saw (but didn't click through) a piece (on another outlet
feed) that Trump had offered (minority/oppressed) White South
Africans "refugee status" in the US and was rejected. It sounds
like more of his culture-war stirring even if it fell flat.<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/9/25 12:06 AM, Pieter Steenekamp
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">From U.S. competitiveness, science funding and oil
exploration boosting , I wish to add spiralling debt that might
just crash the party — uninvited. With total debt racing toward
$40 trillion and growing by $2 trillion a year, something’s
bound to snap. Back in the Clinton days, Al Gore helped cut
wasteful spending, and they nearly balanced the budget. But then
Bush heard, “Deficits don’t matter,” and took it to heart. Since
then, it’s been a downhill ride, with Biden making new records —
just not the good kind.<br>
<br>
I’m not American, but if I were, I’d be searching for the
receipt to return this mountain of debt before the whole system
collapses. Might be time to hit the brakes. Betting on a
bankrupt country to stay competitive doesn’t seem like a smart
move.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 at 23:56,
Santafe <<a href="mailto:desmith@santafe.edu"
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<div>Thanks for these, Marcus,
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<div>Eric</div>
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<div>On Feb 8, 2025, at 12:44, Marcus Daniels <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p style="line-height:15pt">From Copilot. (Of
course, this is prior to Trump 2.0.)<br>
<br>
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">Here's
the updated table with science funding as a
percentage of GDP, including health research
budgets (like the NIH), fundamental research
(like the DOE Office of Science and NSF),
and defense-related research (like IARPA,
DARPA, and nuclear weapons), along with the
complete footnotes:</span></p>
<table cellpadding="0" border="0">
<thead><tr>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:center"
align="center"><b><span
style="font-size:11pt">Country</span></b></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:center"
align="center"><b><span
style="font-size:11pt">Total
R&D Spending (% of GDP)</span></b></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:center"
align="center"><b><span
style="font-size:11pt">Health
Research (% of GDP)</span></b></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:center"
align="center"><b><span
style="font-size:11pt">Fundamental
Research (% of GDP)</span></b></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:center"
align="center"><b><span
style="font-size:11pt">Defense-Related
Research (% of GDP)</span></b></p>
</td>
</tr>
</thead><tbody>
<tr>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">Israel</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">4.9%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">1.0%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">2.0%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">1.9%</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">South Korea</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">4.5%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.9%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">2.2%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">1.4%</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">Sweden</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">3.4%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.7%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">1.7%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">1.0%</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">Germany</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">3.1%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.6%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">1.5%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">1.0%</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">Denmark</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">2.9%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.6%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">1.5%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.8%</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">United States</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">2.8%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.6%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">1.4%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.8%</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">France</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">2.2%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.4%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">1.1%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.7%</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">China</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">2.2%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.4%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">1.1%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.7%</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">Saudi Arabia</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">1.0%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.2%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.5%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.3%</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">United
Kingdom</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">1.7%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.3%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.9%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.5%</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">UAE</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">1.3%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.3%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.7%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.3%</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">India</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.7%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.1%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.4%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.2%</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">Chile</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.6%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.1%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.3%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.2%</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">Argentina</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.5%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.1%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.3%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.1%</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">Uruguay</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.4%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.1%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.2%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.1%</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">Kazakhstan</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.2%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.0%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.1%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.1%</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">Uganda</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.1%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.0%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.0%</span></p>
</td>
<td style="padding:0.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">0.0%</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">These
values are estimates based on available data
and may vary slightly depending on the
source.</span></p>
<ol type="1" start="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">List
of sovereign states by research and
development spending</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"> -
This source provides information on
R&D spending by country, including
data from the World Bank, United Nations
Economic Commission for Europe, and the
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and
Development.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">R&D
expenditure by country 2022</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"> -
This source from Statista provides
detailed statistics on R&D spending by
country, including health and technology
sectors.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">How
much does your country invest in
R&D?</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"> -
This UNESCO source provides data on
R&D spending as a percentage of GDP
and in purchasing power parity dollars.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">Federal
Research and Development (R&D)
Funding: FY2024</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"> -
This Congressional Research Service report
provides detailed information on federal
R&D funding in the United States,
including breakdowns by health,
fundamental research, and defense-related
research.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">Federal
R&D Funding, by Budget Function
2023-2025</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"> -
This National Science Foundation source
provides data on federal budget authority
for R&D by functional categories and
agency.</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">Federal
Research and Development R&D
Funding: FY2023</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"> -
This Congressional Research Service report
provides additional information on federal
R&D funding in the United States.</span></li>
</ol>
<p style="line-height:15pt"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt"><b><span
style="font-size:12pt">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12pt">Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
on behalf of Santafe <<a
href="mailto:desmith@santafe.edu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">desmith@santafe.edu</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, February 8, 2025
at 1:51 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied
Complexity Coffee Group <<a
href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] So much for
U.S. competitiveness</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">Would be interesting
to see a list of various categories of
science funding per capita or per GDP for
countries around the world. Situate the
prospective US in this list. Will our
society be like that of Kazakhstan? Or
maybe like Uganda? Probably well below
Uruguay or Argentina or Chile. </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">Want a direct
visual image that can be delivered, about
the style of day-to-day life that the mob
is requesting for itself.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt"><br>
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</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt">On Feb 7,
2025, at 22:34, Marcus Daniels <<a
href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt"><a
href="https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/02/new-nih-policy-will-slash-support-money-to-research-universities/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/02/new-nih-policy-will-slash-support-money-to-research-universities/</span></a><br>
<a
href="https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/02/white-house-budget-proposal-could-shatter-the-national-science-foundation/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/02/white-house-budget-proposal-could-shatter-the-national-science-foundation/</span></a></span></p>
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