<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto"><font dir="auto">I didn't know there were Max Planck institutes in China. I thought they were a German institution. Apparently first attempts to cooperate with China started in 1970</font><div dir="auto">https://www.mpg.de/16903179/china-history</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Here in Germany Max Planck institutes are known for excellent research. Max Planck institutes are doing theoretical research, while Fraunhofer institutes are specialized on applied research. They are named after Max Planck, who convinced Albert Einstein to come to Berlin 100 </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); white-space-collapse: preserve;">years ago</span></p><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Planck</span></p><br><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">There are quite a few British and American directors: Richard McElreath is director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Ruth Ley is director of the Max Planck Institute for Biology in Tübingen, Erin Schumann is director at the Max Planck Institute for Brain Research in Frankfurt and Iain Couzin is director of the Max Planck Institute of Animal Behavior in Konstanz.</span></p><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">https://www.science.org/content/article/do-you-want-direct-research-institute-germany-s-max-planck-society-has-hundreds-top</span></p><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br></span></p><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">-J.</span></p><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br></span></p></div><div><br></div><div align="left" dir="auto" style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Santafe <desmith@santafe.edu> </div><div>Date: 3/16/25 10:43 AM (GMT+01:00) </div><div>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> </div><div>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] MUsk + trUMP's = MUMPS </div><div><br></div></div>If there were institutional backing for this, I would take it very seriously. Thing is, the European institutions already have their own stresses trying to employ a number of people comparable to those that they have trained. I’m not sure how many Americans they can take on, realistically. Also, how appropriate it is to escape, even for those of us in the precariat who have to move around constantly anyway. If they are people who want something better out of the US than where we are going, the responsibility is knd of on them to build that. Otherwise we just leave the 1/3 who think this is all a great idea with posession of the territory and an unbelievable arsenal.<br><br>I had something interesting explained to me a few years ago, when I used to have opportunities to make work visits to China every year or sometimes a bit more frequently. This one was to the Planck institute in Shangai, in the district of Xu Jia Hui, if I recall. The director was a German, whom I used to know about somewhat, but whose name I am currently forgetting. An older, kind of disheveled guy, and a no-nonsense, fun and good scientist. <br><br>He explained to me that the reason there were all these Chinese repatriated from Germany (and I already knew several personally) is that during the Cultural Revolution, the Planck Institutes had taken the initiative to shelter science refugees from across China. Often their children were born in Germany and had names honoring the place. One example was a high-ranking academiciaion named Hao Bailin, whose name in his dialect could also be pronounced Bolin, and was so named because he had been born in Berlin. Hao spearheaded the development of Complex Systems studies in China, approaching us to help him do that because he thought it was an important thing for the future. He ran interference for us for years, with the establishment, to see that things got done. In years since, when I have run into (sometimes shady, possibly military-adjacent or espionage-adjacent) mid-career Chinese physicists around the world (a case was in PyeongChang Korea during the Olympic year), I mention Hao as a colleague, and with surprising frequency they know him from having been in his classes. Such a small circle in such a big society. But there were others too; a young physicist named Zheng Bo, who came back to run the department in Zhejiang U. (Hao was from Fudan; long story of what the Revolution did to those two universities too.) The science community in exile that the MPIs sheltered and employed, for more than a generation, made an outsised cohort of those who rebuilt science in China in the re-opening by Deng and successors.<br><br>Many versions of living that most Americans have not experienced heretofore, but may lie ahead for us.<br><br>Eric<br><br><br><br>> On Mar 16, 2025, at 5:16 AM, Jochen Fromm <jofr@cas-group.net> wrote:<br>> <br>> American scientists who want to come to good old Europe are welcome here. I believe we have better and healthier food too (which is not difficult because the U.S. is famous for fast food and fast food is as everybody knows really not good for you)<br>> https://www.cartoonmovement.com/cartoon/scientists-run-again<br>> <br>> -J.<br>> <br>> <br>> -------- Original message --------<br>> From: Nicholas Thompson <thompnickson2@gmail.com><br>> Date: 3/16/25 4:23 AM (GMT+01:00)<br>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>, kitchenlist@liste.unisa.it<br>> Subject: [FRIAM] MUsk + trUMP's = MUMPS<br>> <br>> If you agree that this is a meme that should be distributed, please spread it around. Artistic credit to George Patrick Tremblay IV. <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> --<br>> <image.png><br>> <br>> “I told him to get vaccinated back in November” <br>> Nicholas S. 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