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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Let me go back to my notes: <a href="https://chatgpt.com/share/67d76a58-0314-800d-b116-c6f8241d0ce5">https://chatgpt.com/share/67d76a58-0314-800d-b116-c6f8241d0ce5</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nicholas Thompson<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 16, 2025 3:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] MUsk + trUMP's = MUMPS<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>These contributions, interesting In their own right , constitute the most egregiously bent thread that has ever been foisted on friam. Am I being rebuked for offering lame Political commentary, or are your guys just clueless?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 3:18<span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>\u202f</span>PM steve smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>It seems to me they haven\u2019t this through so good. Thousands of NIH, NSF, and DOE funded scientists out on the international market. Add to that reduced regulation on advanced scientific equipment and services. Augment with a general sense of doom and self-interest and alienation from their country of origin. Sounds like a recipe for foreign-based companies to scoop them up, if not other governments. I won\u2019t suggest particulars, but I think it is obvious how this could result in bad outcomes. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p>My molecular biologist daughter is in the breach/sights of this nonsense. She dedicated her career to 3rd-world focused virology (flavi like West Nile, Dingue, Zika) and is now faced with the triple-whammy of reduced funding/interest in third-world problems, reduced *health* funding, and the spirit that suggests as a woman in science she might somehow have gotten her funding through DEI biases. She is not a candidate for "defecting" to China or Russia in this context but has been made crazy by watching her mid-career colleagues defect from academic research to profit-focused big pharma. She got pulled off Flavi's to chase Coronas for a year or more because her institution had more funding than they could spend and her funding was a little more fungible... I think she can (probably) hang in there through the current storm (years) but not clear and it might actually be better for her (career) to move to a European Institution (though I don't know if that is even possible given what EricS suggested about demand/supply.<o:p></o:p></p><p>After the fall of the Soviet Union, I participated in a brief project reviewing US State Dept proposals by (former) Soviet scientists seeking an alternative to becomeing rogue nuclear scientists for who knows? Seems like we are about to have our own problem of that nature?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>.- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-..<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom <a href="https://bit.ly/virtualfriam" target="_blank">https://bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br>to (un)subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com" target="_blank">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br>archives: 5/2017 thru present <a href="https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/" target="_blank">https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</a><br> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 <a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/" target="_blank">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>