<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto"><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: "Google Sans"; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Sorry for bending the thread and changing the topic.</span></p><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Google Sans"; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br></span></p><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "Google Sans"; white-space-collapse: preserve;">From a psychological perspective I would say Musk acts like a spoiled kid who behaves like an a*ole and a d*head, while Trump acts like a kid which was abandoned his rich parents, became a bully that lies all the time and never learned to act like a responsible grown-up.</span></p><br dir="auto"><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: "Google Sans"; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Together they are a total train wreck. I have no doubts they will be bad for science, for America and for the world. As Merle said we are doomed.</span></p><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: "Google Sans"; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">https://giphy.com/gifs/brid-1hMhlrWWfXU77iYnBB</span></p><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: "Google Sans"; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br></span></p><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: "Google Sans"; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">-J.</span></p><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: "Google Sans"; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;"><br></span></p><div><br></div><div align="left" dir="auto" style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Nicholas Thompson <thompnickson2@gmail.com> </div><div>Date: 3/16/25 11:53 PM (GMT+01:00) </div><div>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> </div><div>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] MUsk + trUMP's = MUMPS </div><div><br></div></div><div dir="auto">These contributions, interesting In their own right , constitute the most egregiously bent thread that has ever been foisted on friam. Am I being rebuked for offering lame Political commentary, or are your guys just clueless?</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 3:18\u202fPM steve smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" class="gmail_quote"><u></u>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">It seems to
me they haven\u2019t this through so good. Thousands of NIH,
NSF, and DOE funded scientists out on the international
market. Add to that reduced regulation on advanced
scientific equipment and services. Augment with a general
sense of doom and self-interest and alienation from their
country of origin. Sounds like a recipe for foreign-based
companies to scoop them up, if not other governments. I
won\u2019t suggest particulars, but I think it is obvious how
this could result in bad outcomes. <br>
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<p>My molecular biologist daughter is in the breach/sights of this
nonsense. She dedicated her career to 3rd-world focused virology
(flavi like West Nile, Dingue, Zika) and is now faced with the
triple-whammy of reduced funding/interest in third-world problems,
reduced *health* funding, and the spirit that suggests as a woman
in science she might somehow have gotten her funding through DEI
biases. She is not a candidate for "defecting" to China or
Russia in this context but has been made crazy by watching her
mid-career colleagues defect from academic research to
profit-focused big pharma. She got pulled off Flavi's to chase
Coronas for a year or more because her institution had more
funding than they could spend and her funding was a little more
fungible... I think she can (probably) hang in there through
the current storm (years) but not clear and it might actually be
better for her (career) to move to a European Institution (though
I don't know if that is even possible given what EricS suggested
about demand/supply.</p>
<p>After the fall of the Soviet Union, I participated in a brief
project reviewing US State Dept proposals by (former) Soviet
scientists seeking an alternative to becomeing rogue nuclear
scientists for who knows? Seems like we are about to have our
own problem of that nature?<br>
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