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<div dir="auto">This should be a link to a paper which gives
background on Markov Blankets:</div>
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<p>thanks for the background and your personal stake in the topic...<br>
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<p>My (current) interest is specifically in the context of models of
consciousness ala Solms and Friston:</p>
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<p><a href="https://www.fil.ion.ucl.ac.uk/~karl/NRN.pdf"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.fil.ion.ucl.ac.uk/~karl/NRN.pdf</a></p>
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<p>I'm toying with the question of how Friston's application of
Markov Blankets and Tononi's IIT/Phi play together in the
emergence of collective consciousness.</p>
<p>I think in particular, the point is that MBs represent an
*emergent* partitioning arising from active inferencing and how
Phi perhaps can be used to recognize the emergence of higher-order
self-organization in systems of systems. Unfortunately I am
under(focused/disciplined/prepared) to really formalize or nail
this down very well. Fortunately the ever-easier access to
academic progress and the aid of LLMs to find and correlate them
allows me to careen along finding serendipitous correlations among
disparate thinkers/fields, even if I can't render much formal
coherence out of my coalescing intuition.</p>
<p>I responded to Glen's response in a separate thread (now
discarded) with more detail about my intuition but think it might
read more like noise than signal. His point, about the
distribution of POVs within the superposition of many artifacts
(corpora) being precious (my words, not his) and that an LLM, even
with clever prompting may be more of a "muddying" than a
"clarifying". </p>
<p> I fear the first but hope for the latter. LLMs and their
non-textual siblings may well be little more than a mudhole, not a
clear wellspring.<br>
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<p>- Steve<br>
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