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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/25/25 12:45 PM, Marcus Daniels
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<p>add this to my Oculus HMD and Hypershell (lower body exoskeleton)
and I'll be a full-up post-Steampunk cyborg?</p>
<p>At $46.5k for the minimal devkit, I might put that off until my
lottery ticket hits... The OmniStereo camera rig with 52 cameras
probably cost about twice that when it was built... similar form
factor but with infacing LIDAR in place of out-facing opticals.<br>
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<p>Just now listening to an interview with Ian McGilchrist whose
claim to fame is an update on left/right brain studies... Master
& Emissary.<br>
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Friam <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Prof David West<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 25, 2025 11:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] intgegration<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">glen
noted: <i>"I've also accused Dave of the composition
fallacy in arguing for high order psychological
phenomena as an effect of low order brain
lateralization."</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">My
perception of the "accusation," such as it was, was
nothing more than gentle chiding for stating my position
poorly. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Please
indulge a second attempt; beginning with a metaphor.
Imagine an orchestra playing. Some instruments produce low
toned sounds, others of higher pitch. Normally this
variety of sounds meshes well and produces an harmonious
output.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Enter our
sound engineer who, for as yet unknown reasons, decides to
select and amplify the bass notes over the treble. This
changes the output significantly; eventually to the point
where the treble, while still there, is indiscernible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Now
imagine that the sound engineer's motives are nothing more
than the fact bass can be used to affect the world around
the orchestra: introducing paranoia in the audience,
shaking the foundations of the orchestra hall, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The
musicians in the orchestra are, independently, paying
attention to different parts of the score.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Substitute
"reality" for the score, the "mind/brain" for the
orchestra, and 'cultural [I.e., not biological] evolution'
for the sound engineer. The 'bass' part of the orchestra
'pays-attention-to' reality using 'instruments" like
logic, math, and algorithms, the "treble" using
instruments like empathy, connection, and whole-ness.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The
'bass' part increases in "volume" for the simple fact that
its means for attending to the world provide such
culturally valuable outputs; such as nuclear weapons and
ChatGPT. The 'treble' remains, but is simply overwhelmed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Then, of
course, too many assert the claim that the "treble" is
irrelevant, blind to the fact that it is still there and
is still contributing to the whole. the most vocal
advocates of AI are exemplars.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Given the
preceding, it might be interesting, or perhaps just
foolish, to ask if we can 'map' our perceptions, our modes
of thinking, our means of attending to the world, to the
physiological substrate—the body. We can make some gross
correlations: if I am blind, my attending to visual
stimuli is altered.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In the
case of the brain itself we can find some, perhaps
interesting, correlations as well. There is a particular
locus that does not become 'active', i.e., show brainwave
activity, until several months after birth and that
correlates with the first time an infant appears to
recognize it is separate from its mother (and the rest of
the world). Perhaps coincidentally, Zen meditation
suppresses activity in that same location and the monk
feels "as One with the Universe."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Brain
lateralization is nothing more than a collection of such
correlations. And it is just a 'coincidence' that,
collectively, those correlations are mostly found (in
humans, a lot of mammals, and birds) in the left-brain.
This is true even in 'right-handed' individuals. Octopi
(most cephalopods) exhibit the two modes of 'attending to
the world' as humans and birds, but they lack
lateralizaion—most neurons are in the body, only a small
amount in the central brain. an interesting network of
specialized "lobes."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">davew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On Tue,
Mar 25, 2025, at 9:06 AM, glen wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>
Secret Life of Matthew Allison<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> <a
href="https://www.propublica.org/article/matthew-allison-dj-terrogram-collective-boise-dallas-humber"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.propublica.org/article/matthew-allison-dj-terrogram-collective-boise-dallas-humber</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>
Frank and I had several arguments a long while back about
the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>
ontological status of the "integrated self" (e.g. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> <a
href="https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2015-10217-002"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2015-10217-002</a>).
Meanwhile, many of us <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> have
gone 'round and 'round about the extent to which we can
take <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>
behaviorism seriously. While Allison may be an extreme
case, I maintain <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> that
each of us compartmentalizes, not merely as a coping or
defense <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>
mechanism, but as a fundamental part of what it means to
be an animal. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> I've
also accused Dave of the composition fallacy in arguing
for high <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>
order psychological phenomena as an effect of low order
brain <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>
lateralization. But I also find "we are multitudes" a
convenient if not <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>
entirely true rhetorical frame for talking about our (most
of us) lack <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> of
psychological integration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>
Given all that, I am almost never surprised when one of
someone's <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>
secret selves peeks through whatever veneer they've
presented to me. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> The
default assumption should be epistemic humility. Each time
you <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>
catch yourself thinking you understand someone, pull out
your <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>
discipline whip and use it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> -- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> ɐןןǝdoɹ
ǝ uǝןƃ<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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