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<p>Just listened to the first half of the Guardian interview on DN!
about Musk (and Theil and other's) links to Apartheid, White
Supremacy, etc. and realized how much I've been avoiding tapping
into that topic, even with Isaacson's kinder/gentler references to
such. </p>
<p>I avoided much of the Drumpf/Trump negativity early on as well,
in spite of much of what was flung in his general direction (e.g.
his participation with Fred Sr. in redlining, etc). I didn't
WANT him to be a racist/misogynistic/narcissistic hate-monger and
I even more didn't want to paint him as one (in my own mind) if he
wasn't. As it turns out, in relative hindsight, it seems he
was/is all those things even if not to the extreme degree some of
his most virulent detractors might have claimed. He (like all
of us) is a complex mess of many motivations and forcing
functions. That doesn't mean I want him to be our President or
maybe even be walking the streets (riding a golf cart?).<br>
</p>
<p>Pieter may have some first-person perspective for us on these
criticisms of Musk and Theil (and other SA originated techBro
titans) and how their cultural embedding/origination may have
shaped them (for better and worse). I try to remember that what
I think of as someone elses' "excuse" is actually their "reason"
in many cases. Strange conflation.<br>
</p>
<p>I grew up with nothing but the hero-worship around me of "Indian
fighters" and "mighty predator hunters" only to discover that for
the most part (exclusively?) they were the hands/leading edge of
widespread genocide and species extinction. Even today, the MAGA
crowd probably holds them and that behaviour up as "heroic". No
wonder the Greenlanders aren't having it? <br>
</p>
<p>BTW since there are a number of folks with significant netizen
veteran status here, can anyone attribute the <i><u><b>"Big
Stupid is Watching" </b></u></i>variant of Orwell's
statement? I learned it as being coined or promulgated by Taylor
Meade, but cannot find any specific attribution to him, or to
anyone else in fact. The best I can come up with i vague
references to it's use as a .sig by hackers/Usenet/BBS Denizens,
etc?<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/28/25 12:01 PM, glen wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:f429a361-282f-4af8-aabf-c3138ef859a0@gmail.com">Re:
doxing - I was briefly ashamed when Eric suggested that wearing a
t-shirt with Maxwell's equations on it might be a sign of
insecurity. My tattoos are all logico-mathematical. And like
wearing a pink shirt to high school in '80s Texas, I'm secure
enough to wear them without any persistent shame. 8^D I can't even
count the number of times I was challenged to a fight just because
of the color of my shirt. Luckily, I knew how to fight.
<br>
<br>
But similar to the poor sods recently deported to El Salvador, I
often think it's a Good Thing for people to, say, fly Confederate
flags or get nazi tattoos. The trick is knowing which information
is a trigger for doxing and which isn't. A neighbor here in Oly
asked me what my 3 Arrows flag means. I said "It's an AntiFa
flag." She seemed to have an aneurysm and went off about how
AntiFa is a terrorist organization. I tried to explain the history
of the Iron Front and whatnot. But she was having none of it.
<br>
<br>
First they came for the Real Madrid fans; and I did not speak out
...
<br>
<br>
On 3/28/25 10:14 AM, steve smith wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">
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On 3/27/25 10:14 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">
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There used to be this thing called the White Pages. Somehow
life went on.
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
But how is a smart-ass to show off by ripping a printed
phonebook in half with bare hands?
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/games-tricks/how-to-tear-a-phone-book-in-half/">https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/games-tricks/how-to-tear-a-phone-book-in-half/</a><br>
<br>
If your comment is relevant to "doxing":
<br>
<br>
As a PI in the late 70s I reluctantly (ashamedly?) paid for a
reverse index copy of the White Pages every year which allowed
anyone to trivially look up a name/address by phone number
and/or trivially find the name/phone-number at a given
address. I don't remember the (significant) cost but it did
reflect the effort required (access to the original data in
digital form and then access to a mainframe to do the
sorting/formatting) followed by traditional typeset/print. The
copy-cost was order $100s which was non-trivial to someone whose
hourly rate was a whopping $10/hr.
<br>
<br>
The highest ROI was often finding addresses with no phone-number
affiliated... this could mean several things, but as likely as
not might mean someone hiding from "the law" as was so easy in
those days. In following builders whose long-game was to build
a lot of credit and then skip town, it was not uncommon for them
to hand off some of their ill-gotten non-movable assets to
another builder in the same "syndicate" which might even include
their home... sometimes a rental, sometimes sold at a discount,
etc. So when a known debt-skip individual left town, if the
person taking over their home (rent or own) had a modest chance
of being yet another of the same ilk to show up on the
creditor's skip-trace searches any time now. Being ready for
this was like cash in the bank for me. Most of these folks had
a number of aliases, so the person they were looking for would
never show up on any registries or indices... but the haystack
could be reduced significantly by looking at these negative
spaces.
<br>
<br>
I was very shy about TV-PI stunts like looking up a neighbor's
name/number and calling them or showing up at their door
pretending to be or know things I didn't/wasn't, though I do
think I did toy with it a little on acutely difficult cases.
<br>
<br>
I ached for digital access to some of this data. I had a
partner in a small business who ran a time-share business for
small businesses using a CP/M machine with each client holding
their own (tiny by today's standards) hard-disk. We would move
the computer from business to business in half-day blocks and
(gently) hook up their private drive (obviating risks of
vibration/shock when moving hard drives around). I vaguely
remember that we toyed with NorthStar but they never delivered a
hard-drive solution in our timeframe (I left Uni in 1980). The
state of the art included creating a custom BIOS... He was a
Computer Engineering grad student and had enough cash to front
the gear. My role was mostly being tech savvy enough to deliver
the machine and set it up with their own hard-drive and get them
booted into the applications (Peachtree, Visicalc, WordStar,
custom Basic apps for mail lists, labels, etc). I had a lot
of business contacts (mostly lawyers, related) as well. We had
a daisywheel printer we also delivered with the computer and
even modded a used IBM Selectric but by the time I left, we had
not gotten it reliable enough to replace the daisy-wheel.
<br>
<br>
All of this is pretty much trivial in today's technology
including consumer-OCR.
<br>
<br>
BTW, I wasn't complaining about the .onion address, just
entertained to discover there was such a thing and curious about
what the implications of it might be. And offering a little
context to any other Philistines (beyond myself) who were
unaware of any of this.
<br>
<br>
The world definitely "moves on" (quote from Stephen King's
Gunslinger character in Dark Tower franchise).
<br>
<br>
A few years ago I was under the illusion that i could "keep up"
but it is evident to me now that I can at best clutch at the
trailing, tattering edges of the world as it "moves on".
<br>
<br>
My "bar friends" (GPT, etc) help a little but as gets pointed
out regularly hear, I am probably often being badly mislead as
they seem only to be capable of stochastic parroting of
(sophisticated) rumours about things.
<br>
<br>
Oh, the benefits of a finite lifespan! (you Xer's and younger
may not enjoy that benefit?)
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">*From:*Friam
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> *On Behalf Of *steve smith
<br>
*Sent:* Thursday, March 27, 2025 8:59 AM
<br>
*To:* <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>
<br>
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] DOGEQuest
<br>
<br>
Not clear on the construction of your link? Is it a bit.ly
like hash run by the onion?
<br>
<br>
With a tiny bit of research I now understand that .onion TLD
addressses are only accessible through the TOR browser... Is
.onion a twilight-web (vs darkweb)?
<br>
<br>
original article?
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.404media.co/dogequest-site-claims-to-dox-tesla-owners-across-the-u-s/">https://www.404media.co/dogequest-site-claims-to-dox-tesla-owners-across-the-u-s/</a><br>
<br>
I recommend the following to reluctant/ashamed Tesla Owners:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://stealmytesla.com/">https://stealmytesla.com/</a>
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<begin Tangent>
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<br>
Doxing in general is chilling even when inadvertent or
"mild". In 2020 I was (mildly) shocked to discover that
voter-registration data at the address level is publicly
available. Of the 4 houses on our lane, every one had one
"independent" and the second registration was split between
Donkeys and Elephants. Unfortunately "independent" in the
other (besides myself) cases almost assuredly maps onto
rabid-liberatarian crypto-conservative 2nd amendment. Those
registered Red/Blue were the women. And I think any one on
the lane looking this info up would come to the same
conclusions. Our bumper stickers are small but definitely not
MAGA. I hate even having to be registered. There seems to
be some ambiguity between "independent" and "unaffiliated"...
I think "independent" sometimes means "Indepenent Party",
other times it means "unaffilliated"? messy, ambiguous?
<br>
<br>
My daughters both finally went EV about 1.5 years ago.
YungerDotter opted into TSLA for myriad reasons unrelated to
being a Muskophile. She works in a fairly young/startup
techBro company in Denver where their ModelY doesn't stand out
in the parking lot at all and they live in a semi-MAGA
neighborhood of Denver (Parker) where the neighbors are more
likely to give them a thumbs up for their "choice". Her
partner is a project manager for a Raytheon division doing
satellite tasking. The Model Y is also not out of place in
that parking lot and at least half of his peers are probably
rabid proMusk if not proMAGA or DOGE. So they aren't acutely
worried about much vandalism/etc at either end of their
commute(s) but it has made them acutely aware of a lot of
things they had been able to not think too much about
previously. They are both counter-aligned with DOGE/MAGA/MUSK
in virtually every way and this is just one more reminder of
the impedance mismatch in their work/
<br>
home choices. They both plead Golden Handcuffs. Dotter is
considering leaving the (clearly questionable) realm of
data-center development to join the Japanese iSpace
lunar-robotics company (branch in Denver). She's struggling
with what that spiritual trade-space looks like. Or she could
go back to pushing liquor, mortgages, or managing
trust-fund-babies' money for them?
<br>
<br>
elderDotter went with the bargain Bolt used from Hertz.
She fits right in in Portland, on both ends of her commute and
everywhere in between. I suspect the depreciation of her
sister's TSLA exceeds the entire purchase price (with
incentives) of the Bolt. If NIH funding (esp for virology and
third-world viruses at that) tanks (RKjr) she will be very
glad not to have taken on a new silly debt the size of a TSLA.
<br>
<br>
FWIW, they *both* manage a roughly 60 mile RT commute 4-5
days a week with Level 1 charging at home only... (couple of
bucks per RT) they need a weekend day to catch up for the
slow daily deficit of charge. Keeping the battery even more
mid-range than the defaults is also a good strategy for
battery life. I do wish on each of them a DIY PV/inverter
setup strictly for their EV charging for a (near)
carbon-neutral commute... but I'm not living close enough to
effect this for them directly.
<br>
<br>
<double-tangent>
<br>
<br>
My own EV adventure includes my near end-of-life Volt
PHEV. I bought it at 166k (in 2017) with a failing traction
battery and put in (non-trivial) a 95k used battery which
after about 60k miles is now struggling (I'm able to manage it
with various techniques which I would not wish on anyone else)
but no longer can get the EV-only trips I used to... I pretty
much have to burn .1-.3 gallons of petrol with every RT to LA,
Espanola, Pojoaque. As the weather warms, this may get
better. I picked up Ford's bargain version with low miles a
few weeks ago and it will displace the otherwise happy Prius I
bought for Mary a couple of years ago. It also (by design
limits) wants to burn a tiny bit of gas for most RTs from
home... most notably the 2500' climb to Los Alamos. The Ford
battery is just over 1/2 the capacity of the Volt (when new)
but at half the mileage, it performs nearly as well. Both
vehicles are showing a roughly 70mpg equivalent over their
lifetimes,
<br>
but my idiosyncratic use is constantly raising that
average...
<br>
<br>
I'm looking for a homeless person (to gift it to) with
regular access to a 110 outlet as the HVAC, entertainment
system, and bucket seats are still good enough to live in, and
the EV range would allow for a few miles of daily excursion or
occasional relocation.
<br>
<br>
Unfortunately my Hypershell exo isn't able to fully
make up for my recovery limitations or I'd be "jogging" to
Pojoaque for groceries with a backpack? 2 hr round trip with
only about 5lbs of tech overburden (maybe 8 if you include
good sturdy shoes and helmet if I start running too fast).
With my HMD and a brain interface helmet I could maybe be
reading/responding to FriAM while the Exo FSD feature
navigates me to/from the market... maybe even knows the route
inside the store so all I have to do is reach out and pluck my
groceries on command. If I had a humanoid robot, I wouldn't
have to go at all and if I shifted to HUEL or SOYLENT could
skip that visit at all.. Just a 50lb bag of nutrients
delivered monthly?
<br>
<br>
What is the line where I become it's meat-puppet or am
deprecated entirely? From what I see of the homeless and
DOGE/MAGA aspirations, the homeless folks are in line for
deprecation before me but after immigrants.
<br>
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</endTangent>
<br>
<br>
</endTangent>
<br>
<br>
On 3/27/25 8:01 AM, glen wrote:
<br>
<br>
I finally found the site I learned about from 404 Media:
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://dogeqstqzn2yjns2d6ccns7aa52tglno63ay2uv2orfvd7e23khcsxid.onion/">http://dogeqstqzn2yjns2d6ccns7aa52tglno63ay2uv2orfvd7e23khcsxid.onion/</a>
<br>
<br>
I admit it's a bit chilling.
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