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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/27/25 10:14 AM, Marcus Daniels
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<p class="MsoNormal">There used to be this thing called the
White Pages. Somehow life went on. </p>
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<p>But how is a smart-ass to show off by ripping a printed phonebook
in half with bare hands?</p>
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<p><a
href="https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/games-tricks/how-to-tear-a-phone-book-in-half/"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/games-tricks/how-to-tear-a-phone-book-in-half/</a></p>
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<p>If your comment is relevant to "doxing":<br>
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<p>As a PI in the late 70s I reluctantly (ashamedly?) paid for a
reverse index copy of the White Pages every year which allowed
anyone to trivially look up a name/address by phone number and/or
trivially find the name/phone-number at a given address. I don't
remember the (significant) cost but it did reflect the effort
required (access to the original data in digital form and then
access to a mainframe to do the sorting/formatting) followed by
traditional typeset/print. The copy-cost was order $100s which
was non-trivial to someone whose hourly rate was a whopping
$10/hr. <br>
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<p>The highest ROI was often finding addresses with no phone-number
affiliated... this could mean several things, but as likely as not
might mean someone hiding from "the law" as was so easy in those
days. In following builders whose long-game was to build a lot
of credit and then skip town, it was not uncommon for them to hand
off some of their ill-gotten non-movable assets to another builder
in the same "syndicate" which might even include their home...
sometimes a rental, sometimes sold at a discount, etc. So when a
known debt-skip individual left town, if the person taking over
their home (rent or own) had a modest chance of being yet another
of the same ilk to show up on the creditor's skip-trace searches
any time now. Being ready for this was like cash in the bank for
me. Most of these folks had a number of aliases, so the person
they were looking for would never show up on any registries or
indices... but the haystack could be reduced significantly by
looking at these negative spaces. <br>
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<p>I was very shy about TV-PI stunts like looking up a neighbor's
name/number and calling them or showing up at their door
pretending to be or know things I didn't/wasn't, though I do think
I did toy with it a little on acutely difficult cases.<br>
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<p>I ached for digital access to some of this data. I had a
partner in a small business who ran a time-share business for
small businesses using a CP/M machine with each client holding
their own (tiny by today's standards) hard-disk. We would move
the computer from business to business in half-day blocks and
(gently) hook up their private drive (obviating risks of
vibration/shock when moving hard drives around). I vaguely
remember that we toyed with NorthStar but they never delivered a
hard-drive solution in our timeframe (I left Uni in 1980). The
state of the art included creating a custom BIOS... He was a
Computer Engineering grad student and had enough cash to front the
gear. My role was mostly being tech savvy enough to deliver the
machine and set it up with their own hard-drive and get them
booted into the applications (Peachtree, Visicalc, WordStar,
custom Basic apps for mail lists, labels, etc). I had a lot of
business contacts (mostly lawyers, related) as well. We had a
daisywheel printer we also delivered with the computer and even
modded a used IBM Selectric but by the time I left, we had not
gotten it reliable enough to replace the daisy-wheel. <br>
</p>
<p>All of this is pretty much trivial in today's technology
including consumer-OCR.<br>
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<p>BTW, I wasn't complaining about the .onion address, just
entertained to discover there was such a thing and curious about
what the implications of it might be. And offering a little
context to any other Philistines (beyond myself) who were unaware
of any of this. <br>
</p>
<p>The world definitely "moves on" (quote from Stephen King's
Gunslinger character in Dark Tower franchise).</p>
<p>A few years ago I was under the illusion that i could "keep up"
but it is evident to me now that I can at best clutch at the
trailing, tattering edges of the world as it "moves on".</p>
<p>My "bar friends" (GPT, etc) help a little but as gets pointed out
regularly hear, I am probably often being badly mislead as they
seem only to be capable of stochastic parroting of (sophisticated)
rumours about things.</p>
<p>Oh, the benefits of a finite lifespan! (you Xer's and younger may
not enjoy that benefit?)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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Friam <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>steve smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 27, 2025 8:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] DOGEQuest<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Not clear on the construction of your link? Is it a bit.ly
like hash run by the onion?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>With a tiny bit of research I now understand that .onion TLD
addressses are only accessible through the TOR browser... Is
.onion a twilight-web (vs darkweb)?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>original article? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><a
href="https://www.404media.co/dogequest-site-claims-to-dox-tesla-owners-across-the-u-s/"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.404media.co/dogequest-site-claims-to-dox-tesla-owners-across-the-u-s/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I recommend the following to reluctant/ashamed Tesla Owners:
<a href="https://stealmytesla.com/" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://stealmytesla.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><begin Tangent><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Doxing in general is chilling even when inadvertent or
"mild". In 2020 I was (mildly) shocked to discover that
voter-registration data at the address level is publicly
available. Of the 4 houses on our lane, every one had one
"independent" and the second registration was split between
Donkeys and Elephants. Unfortunately "independent" in the
other (besides myself) cases almost assuredly maps onto
rabid-liberatarian crypto-conservative 2nd amendment. Those
registered Red/Blue were the women. And I think any one on
the lane looking this info up would come to the same
conclusions. Our bumper stickers are small but definitely
not MAGA. I hate even having to be registered. There
seems to be some ambiguity between "independent" and
"unaffiliated"... I think "independent" sometimes means
"Indepenent Party", other times it means "unaffilliated"?
messy, ambiguous?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>My daughters both finally went EV about 1.5 years ago.
YungerDotter opted into TSLA for myriad reasons unrelated to
being a Muskophile. She works in a fairly young/startup
techBro company in Denver where their ModelY doesn't stand
out in the parking lot at all and they live in a semi-MAGA
neighborhood of Denver (Parker) where the neighbors are more
likely to give them a thumbs up for their "choice". Her
partner is a project manager for a Raytheon division doing
satellite tasking. The Model Y is also not out of place in
that parking lot and at least half of his peers are probably
rabid proMusk if not proMAGA or DOGE. So they aren't
acutely worried about much vandalism/etc at either end of
their commute(s) but it has made them acutely aware of a lot
of things they had been able to not think too much about
previously. They are both counter-aligned with
DOGE/MAGA/MUSK in virtually every way and this is just one
more reminder of the impedance mismatch in their work/home
choices. They both plead Golden Handcuffs. Dotter is
considering leaving the (clearly questionable) realm of
data-center development to join the Japanese iSpace
lunar-robotics company (branch in Denver). She's
struggling with what that spiritual trade-space looks like.
Or she could go back to pushing liquor, mortgages, or
managing trust-fund-babies' money for them? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>elderDotter went with the bargain Bolt used from Hertz.
She fits right in in Portland, on both ends of her commute
and everywhere in between. I suspect the depreciation of
her sister's TSLA exceeds the entire purchase price (with
incentives) of the Bolt. If NIH funding (esp for virology
and third-world viruses at that) tanks (RKjr) she will be
very glad not to have taken on a new silly debt the size of
a TSLA.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>FWIW, they *both* manage a roughly 60 mile RT commute 4-5
days a week with Level 1 charging at home only... (couple of
bucks per RT) they need a weekend day to catch up for the
slow daily deficit of charge. Keeping the battery even
more mid-range than the defaults is also a good strategy for
battery life. I do wish on each of them a DIY PV/inverter
setup strictly for their EV charging for a (near)
carbon-neutral commute... but I'm not living close enough
to effect this for them directly.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><double-tangent><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>My own EV adventure includes my near end-of-life Volt
PHEV. I bought it at 166k (in 2017) with a failing
traction battery and put in (non-trivial) a 95k used
battery which after about 60k miles is now struggling (I'm
able to manage it with various techniques which I would
not wish on anyone else) but no longer can get the EV-only
trips I used to... I pretty much have to burn .1-.3
gallons of petrol with every RT to LA, Espanola,
Pojoaque. As the weather warms, this may get better. I
picked up Ford's bargain version with low miles a few
weeks ago and it will displace the otherwise happy Prius I
bought for Mary a couple of years ago. It also (by design
limits) wants to burn a tiny bit of gas for most RTs from
home... most notably the 2500' climb to Los Alamos. The
Ford battery is just over 1/2 the capacity of the Volt
(when new) but at half the mileage, it performs nearly as
well. Both vehicles are showing a roughly 70mpg
equivalent over their lifetimes, but my idiosyncratic use
is constantly raising that average... <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I'm looking for a homeless person (to gift it to) with
regular access to a 110 outlet as the HVAC, entertainment
system, and bucket seats are still good enough to live in,
and the EV range would allow for a few miles of daily
excursion or occasional relocation. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Unfortunately my Hypershell exo isn't able to fully make
up for my recovery limitations or I'd be "jogging" to
Pojoaque for groceries with a backpack? 2 hr round trip
with only about 5lbs of tech overburden (maybe 8 if you
include good sturdy shoes and helmet if I start running
too fast). With my HMD and a brain interface helmet I
could maybe be reading/responding to FriAM while the Exo
FSD feature navigates me to/from the market... maybe even
knows the route inside the store so all I have to do is
reach out and pluck my groceries on command. If I had a
humanoid robot, I wouldn't have to go at all and if I
shifted to HUEL or SOYLENT could skip that visit at all..
Just a 50lb bag of nutrients delivered monthly?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>What is the line where I become it's meat-puppet or am
deprecated entirely? From what I see of the homeless and
DOGE/MAGA aspirations, the homeless folks are in line for
deprecation before me but after immigrants.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 3/27/25 8:01 AM, glen wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I finally
found the site I learned about from 404 Media: <br>
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<a
href="http://dogeqstqzn2yjns2d6ccns7aa52tglno63ay2uv2orfvd7e23khcsxid.onion/"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://dogeqstqzn2yjns2d6ccns7aa52tglno63ay2uv2orfvd7e23khcsxid.onion/</a>
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<br>
I admit it's a bit chilling. <o:p></o:p></p>
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