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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Marcus wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">There’s this
trend..<br>
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<p>And extracted from that: <br>
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style="box-sizing: inherit; max-height: 1e+06px; font-weight: 400;">Every
time we decrease the cost of something by an order of
magnitude, it opens up new use cases that previously were not
commercially viable. For example, humans can speak around<span> </span></span><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Words_per_minute"
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style="box-sizing: inherit; max-height: 1e+06px; font-weight: 400;">10,000
words per hour</span></a><span
style="box-sizing: inherit; max-height: 1e+06px; font-weight: 400;">. If
someone were to speak for 10 hours a day, every day of the
year, they could now use a GPT-3-class LLM to process all the
words they said for about $2 per year. Processing the entire
Linux kernel (about 40 million lines of code) would cost under
$1.</span></p>
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<p>With the move toward having an AI-powered PDA (in your mobile
phone or glasses or earphones) or ambient listening everywhere,
this is in many ways more disturbing (not because of any specific
worst-case imagining) than many other things afoot today. <br>
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<p>I don't remember when "life-logging" first started (Gordon Bell?)
or was proposed (but every LLM on the planet probably knows and
even agrees) but it seems to (now) be almost trivial? </p>
<p>I'm half expecting to see emerging the shadow version of Jonez's
<i>Her </i>with each of us slowly (by AI, not human
standard-time) becoming meat-puppets? </p>
<p>LLMs mediating/observing everything we do == <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps">Ophiocordyceps</a>?
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Friam
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> on behalf of glen
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com"><gepropella@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, April 15, 2025 at 8:00 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] money is a delusion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Well, I
don't use the web interface enough to know how much free
use can drive up OpenAI's costs. If it's true they lose
money on every Pro user *and* the Pro user can cost them
more than free users can, then that's the point. Drive
their costs up faster than their revenue. Of course,
because money is all fake anyway, they can just get more
from wherever. So it's more of a joke than an actual
attack plan.<br>
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I'm no more miffed at the cute pictures than I am regular
visual arts. I just don't get it ... I think I'm on the
spectrum <<a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphantasia"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphantasia</a>><br>
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On 4/15/25 7:43 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>
> Wouldn’t that be the strategy to cut off free users
entirely? The key thing is to convince paying users that
they are an advantage professionally by buying-in, and
that OpenAI services are better than competitors?
Honestly, I’m a little miffed by all the focus on cute
pictures.<br>
> <br>
> *From: *Friam <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> on
behalf of glen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com"><gepropella@gmail.com></a><br>
> *Date: *Tuesday, April 15, 2025 at 7:25 AM<br>
> *To: *friam@redfish.com <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><br>
> *Subject: *[FRIAM] money is a delusion<br>
> <br>
> OpenAI Is A Systemic Risk To The Tech Industry<br>
> <a
href="https://www.wheresyoured.at/openai-is-a-systemic-risk-to-the-tech-industry-2/"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.wheresyoured.at/openai-is-a-systemic-risk-to-the-tech-industry-2/</a>
<<a
href="https://www.wheresyoured.at/openai-is-a-systemic-risk-to-the-tech-industry-2/"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.wheresyoured.at/openai-is-a-systemic-risk-to-the-tech-industry-2/</a>><br>
> <br>
> OK. I've changed my mind. Please buy a fixed price
subscription and absolutely HAMMER ChatGPT & Grok with
stupid requests to interpret Miley Cyrus lyrics or explore
the detailed implications of an Objectivist society ... or
generate silly images of Trump with donkeys. Let's
convince the Broligarchs that we think their toys are
useful. And that even if there's a "correction" at some
point, there will be plenty of spin-offs
<<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://tante.cc/2025/04/15/these-are-not-the-same/">https://tante.cc/2025/04/15/these-are-not-the-same/</a>
<<a
href="https://tante.cc/2025/04/15/these-are-not-the-same/"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://tante.cc/2025/04/15/these-are-not-the-same/</a>>>!
(As if they weren't already enslaved by their Visions.)<br>
> <br>
> I guess the question begging to be asked for such a
DDoS attack is what to do with the generated output. We
want way too much for any human to look at. >/dev/null
seems like a waste. Hard drives are cheap, though. Maybe
we could store it for posterity? If there really is a
societal collapse, maybe the alien anthropologists could
reverse engineer these LLMs from their generative
detritus.<br>
> <br>
> Meanwhile, in the actual world:<br>
> <a
href="https://dailynous.com/2025/04/15/philosophy-major-snatched-by-ice-during-citizenship-interview/"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://dailynous.com/2025/04/15/philosophy-major-snatched-by-ice-during-citizenship-interview/</a>
<<a
href="https://dailynous.com/2025/04/15/philosophy-major-snatched-by-ice-during-citizenship-interview/"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://dailynous.com/2025/04/15/philosophy-major-snatched-by-ice-during-citizenship-interview/</a>><br>
> <br>
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