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<p>Eric -</p>
<p>I have read Roanhorse's post-Apocalyptic <i>Trail of Lightning</i>...
and tripped over the controversy over the subtle/complicated
claims of Tribal identity and cultural appropriation. I didn't
read more of her work because after this novel she veered further
into *fantasy* which is not my genre-of-choice so much. The
description of this short story (very highly heralded) would seem
to suggest significant irony regarding the criticism she drew for
her subsequent novel? <br>
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<p>For the PostModernists (or adjacent) among us, I wonder if this
whole tangle isn't very PoMo with her simultaneous inhabitation
and critique of systems of representation? Did Marcus response go
full PoMo as well? <br>
</p>
<p>All this aside, can you elaborate the relevance of why you
injected this into this thread at this point? Stylistic
similarity to Glen's allegorical character study of obnoxious
little green men as LLM? (or vice-versa?). The little green men,
very superficially reminded me of Spielberg's <i>Gremlins</i>?</p>
<p>- Steve</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/29/25 2:41 PM, Marcus Daniels
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Keeping with superdeterminism, I like am
pleased to see suggested questions at the bottom of George. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">When it truly has omniscience, I will be
able to simply click on the suggested question and I will be
unnecessary. <o:p></o:p></p>
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Friam <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Santafe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 29, 2025 12:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
Group <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of
the tropospheree<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Written in 2017?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 29, 2025, at 22:04, glen <<a
href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com"
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<p class="MsoNormal">More like if little green creatures
came into my kitchen to cook up some stinky fish ...
and then leave the kitchen all messy for me to clean
up ... the whole house stinking of fish for days ...
until they show up again just when it stopped
stinking. And as time goes on, they're going to show
up more often ... not merely to stink up the house
with fish, but to re-landscape the yard, paint the
house ugly colors, paint garish murals on all the
inside walls, swap out my truck for a "truck" from
Elno, and replace the beer in my fridge with fscking
*seltzer*.<br>
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And they'll eventually get on my keyboard and start
doing "work" for my clients ... work the clients
didn't ask for and don't want ... until they convince
them they do want it ... then the little green
creatures will evict me and I'll go live under a
bridge.<br>
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On 4/28/25 10:14 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I know. If small green bipedal
creatures landed on earth and started tending to
yardwork would that also be a disappointment?<br>
They’ve failed to trim my tall hedge, so curse them!<br>
*From:*Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
*On Behalf Of *Nicholas Thompson<br>
*Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2025 9:44 AM<br>
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
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*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of
the tropospheree<br>
Hi Marcus,<br>
I find that George's indulgence with bad metaphor
very useful.<br>
I also find amazing his ability to grasp the gist
of what I am asking. I have essential tremor and a
bad keyboard and still George almost always gets the
message. Siri will take any opportunity to
misunderstand.<br>
In this case, it was I, not George, who was cranking
out the sloppy metaphors, trying to find a way to
convey just how thin the atmosphere is. I was
hoping Saran wrap thin, but that appears to be an
order of magnitude too far.<br>
Am I reading this wrong? people often talk about
LLM's as if they are /disappointed/ in them, as if
there is something they SHOULD do that they aren't
doing. Do you have any idea what the disappointment
might be?: What is the world hankering for that they
don't provide?<br>
Nick<br>
On Sun, Apr 27, 2025 at 9:37<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>PM
Marcus Daniels <<a
href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com%20%3cmailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">marcus@snoutfarm.com
<mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
I wonder if the George makers 1) realized that
people have an affinity to iffy analogies and they
should give the people what they want, or 2) the LLM
was prone to generating them so they just made it a
feature?<br>
*From:*Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com%20%3cmailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">friam-bounces@redfish.com
<mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>>
*On Behalf Of *Nicholas Thompson<br>
*Sent:* Sunday, April 27, 2025 8:12 PM<br>
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
Coffee Group <<a
href="mailto:friam@redfish.com%20%3cmailto:friam@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com
<mailto:friam@redfish.com</a>>><br>
*Subject:* [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of
the tropospheree<br>
George and I were looking for intuition pumps to
help a reader imagine how very thin the troposphere
is. Here is what we came up with:<o:p></o:p></p>
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