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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#467886" vlink="#96607D" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>George gives good advice here!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><img width=797 height=120 style='width:8.302in;height:1.25in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01DBB8D5.D564CEE0"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen<br>Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2025 6:04 AM<br>To: friam@redfish.com<br>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the tropospheree</p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>More like if little green creatures came into my kitchen to cook up some stinky fish ... and then leave the kitchen all messy for me to clean up ... the whole house stinking of fish for days ... until they show up again just when it stopped stinking. And as time goes on, they're going to show up more often ... not merely to stink up the house with fish, but to re-landscape the yard, paint the house ugly colors, paint garish murals on all the inside walls, swap out my truck for a "truck" from Elno, and replace the beer in my fridge with fscking *seltzer*.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>And they'll eventually get on my keyboard and start doing "work" for my clients ... work the clients didn't ask for and don't want ... until they convince them they do want it ... then the little green creatures will evict me and I'll go live under a bridge.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On 4/28/25 10:14 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> I know. If small green bipedal creatures landed on earth and started tending to yardwork would that also be a disappointment?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> They’ve failed to trim my tall hedge, so curse them!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *From:*Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>> *On Behalf Of *Nicholas Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2025 9:44 AM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>friam@redfish.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the tropospheree<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Hi Marcus,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> I find that George's indulgence with bad metaphor very useful.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> I also find amazing his ability to grasp the gist of what I am asking. I have essential tremor and a bad keyboard and still George almost always gets the message. Siri will take any opportunity to misunderstand.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> In this case, it was I, not George, who was cranking out the sloppy metaphors, trying to find a way to convey just how thin the atmosphere is. I was hoping Saran wrap thin, but that appears to be an order of magnitude too far.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Am I reading this wrong? people often talk about LLM's as if they are /disappointed/ in them, as if there is something they SHOULD do that they aren't doing. Do you have any idea what the disappointment might be?: What is the world hankering for that they don't provide?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Nick<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> On Sun, Apr 27, 2025 at 9:37 PM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com%20%3cmailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>marcus@snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com</span></a>>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> I wonder if the George makers 1) realized that people have an affinity to iffy analogies and they should give the people what they want, or 2) the LLM was prone to generating them so they just made it a feature?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *From:*Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com%20%3cmailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>friam-bounces@redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>>> *On Behalf Of *Nicholas Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 27, 2025 8:12 PM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com%20%3cmailto:friam@redfish.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com</span></a>>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> *Subject:* [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the tropospheree<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> George and I were looking for intuition pumps to help a reader imagine how very thin the troposphere is. 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