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<p>thanks... I saw the self-referential loop connection... I've
got Roanhorse's short story on my stack now and the details will
probably help me get it (even) better. Glad to know others are
appreciating the likes of Roanhorse' work. I appreciate your
referencing this particular work of hers, I'm surprised I'd missed
it since it was yet more broadly acclaimed than her novel.</p>
<p>I do think there is a realistic possibility that we will somehow
get fully dealt out of our own game in pretty short order.. I
don't know the term for this, I read Bostrom's book on
Superintelligence before the current AI craze exploded and can't
remember if he had any terms more appropriate to this than mere
"alignment".<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/29/25 6:09 PM, Santafe wrote:<br>
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Hi Steve,
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<div>Toward the end of Glen’s post, he was commenting on how the
LLMs that he (the post’s narrator) thought were participating in
a scenario of his design end up displacing him by being the
actual dictators of the scenario, and replace him not only as
designer but as participant entirely. So he goes to live under
a bridge like the characters Suttree visits.</div>
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<div>Marcus’s clip about the prompts at the bottom of GTP’s
Svejk-like service were in a similar spirit, +/- how close any
of these resonances is to a particular story like AIE.</div>
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<div>Eric</div>
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<div>On Apr 30, 2025, at 8:11, steve smith
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com"><sasmyth@swcp.com></a> wrote:</div>
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have read Roanhorse's post-Apocalyptic<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Trail of
Lightning</i>... and tripped over the controversy over
the subtle/complicated claims of Tribal identity and
cultural appropriation. I didn't read more of her work
because after this novel she veered further into
*fantasy* which is not my genre-of-choice so much. The
description of this short story (very highly heralded)
would seem to suggest significant irony regarding the
criticism she drew for her subsequent novel? <span
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the PostModernists (or adjacent) among us, I wonder if
this whole tangle isn't very PoMo with her simultaneous
inhabitation and critique of systems of representation?
Did Marcus response go full PoMo as well? <span
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this aside, can you elaborate the relevance of why you
injected this into this thread at this point?
Stylistic similarity to Glen's allegorical character
study of obnoxious little green men as LLM? (or
vice-versa?). The little green men, very superficially
reminded me of Spielberg's<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Gremlins</i>?</p>
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Steve</p>
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4/29/25 2:41 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>
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with superdeterminism, I like am pleased to see
suggested questions at the bottom of George. <span
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<div
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it truly has omniscience, I will be able to simply
click on the suggested question and I will be
unnecessary. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam<span
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Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Santafe<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
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April 29, 2025 12:50 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the
tropospheree<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">On
Apr 29, 2025, at 22:04, glen <<a
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">More
like if little green creatures came into my
kitchen to cook up some stinky fish ... and
then leave the kitchen all messy for me to
clean up ... the whole house stinking of
fish for days ... until they show up again
just when it stopped stinking. And as time
goes on, they're going to show up more often
... not merely to stink up the house with
fish, but to re-landscape the yard, paint
the house ugly colors, paint garish murals
on all the inside walls, swap out my truck
for a "truck" from Elno, and replace the
beer in my fridge with fscking *seltzer*.<br>
<br>
And they'll eventually get on my keyboard
and start doing "work" for my clients ...
work the clients didn't ask for and don't
want ... until they convince them they do
want it ... then the little green creatures
will evict me and I'll go live under a
bridge.<br>
<br>
On 4/28/25 10:14 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>
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<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">I
know. If small green bipedal creatures
landed on earth and started tending to
yardwork would that also be a
disappointment?<br>
They’ve failed to trim my tall hedge, so
curse them!<br>
*From:*Friam <<a
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*On Behalf Of *Nicholas Thompson<br>
*Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2025 9:44 AM<br>
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*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The comparative
thickness of the tropospheree<br>
Hi Marcus,<br>
I find that George's indulgence with bad
metaphor very useful.<br>
I also find amazing his ability to grasp
the gist of what I am asking. I have
essential tremor and a bad keyboard and
still George almost always gets the
message. Siri will take any opportunity
to misunderstand.<br>
In this case, it was I, not George, who
was cranking out the sloppy metaphors,
trying to find a way to convey just how
thin the atmosphere is. I was hoping
Saran wrap thin, but that appears to be an
order of magnitude too far.<br>
Am I reading this wrong? people often talk
about LLM's as if they are /disappointed/
in them, as if there is something they
SHOULD do that they aren't doing. Do you
have any idea what the disappointment
might be?: What is the world hankering for
that they don't provide?<br>
Nick<br>
On Sun, Apr 27, 2025 at 9:37<span
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"> </span>PM
Marcus Daniels <<a
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<mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
I wonder if the George makers 1)
realized that people have an affinity to
iffy analogies and they should give the
people what they want, or 2) the LLM was
prone to generating them so they just made
it a feature?<br>
*From:*Friam <<a
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*On Behalf Of *Nicholas Thompson<br>
*Sent:* Sunday, April 27, 2025 8:12 PM<br>
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied
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*Subject:* [FRIAM] The comparative
thickness of the tropospheree<br>
George and I were looking for intuition
pumps to help a reader imagine how very
thin the troposphere is. Here is what we
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