<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Had to laugh out loud at this one; I have been listening to Nick for too long. Also the mystics.<div><br></div><div>They would say that that is what consciousness and the sense of self already are. (Of course, who am I to speak for Them; whatever I said They will say demonstrates that I have missed the point. Maybe the Psychologists will say that too!)</div><div><br></div><div>But…</div><div><br></div><div>The idea being that the meat is driving itself, and the “I” clicks the prompted questions at the bottom, and gives a kind of reported trace of what the meat has already been doing.</div><div><br></div><div>Eric</div><div><br></div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Apr 30, 2025, at 5:41, Marcus Daniels <marcus@snoutfarm.com> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Keeping with superdeterminism, I like am pleased to see suggested questions at the bottom of George. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">When it truly has omniscience, I will be able to simply click on the suggested question and I will be unnecessary. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; border-image: none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Santafe<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, April 29, 2025 12:50 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">friam@redfish.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the tropospheree<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Written in 2017?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="300" style="width: 225pt; background: rgb(172, 169, 164); border-collapse: collapse;"><tbody><tr><td style="padding: 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span id="cid:image001.jpg@01DBB90B.30B7C3D0"><image001.jpg></span></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div></td></tr><tr><td style="padding: 0in;"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="300" style="width: 225pt; 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margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">On Apr 29, 2025, at 22:04, glen <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">gepropella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">More like if little green creatures came into my kitchen to cook up some stinky fish ... and then leave the kitchen all messy for me to clean up ... the whole house stinking of fish for days ... until they show up again just when it stopped stinking. And as time goes on, they're going to show up more often ... not merely to stink up the house with fish, but to re-landscape the yard, paint the house ugly colors, paint garish murals on all the inside walls, swap out my truck for a "truck" from Elno, and replace the beer in my fridge with fscking *seltzer*.<br><br>And they'll eventually get on my keyboard and start doing "work" for my clients ... work the clients didn't ask for and don't want ... until they convince them they do want it ... then the little green creatures will evict me and I'll go live under a bridge.<br><br>On 4/28/25 10:14 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">I know. If small green bipedal creatures landed on earth and started tending to yardwork would that also be a disappointment?<br>They’ve failed to trim my tall hedge, so curse them!<br>*From:*Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> *On Behalf Of *Nicholas Thompson<br>*Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2025 9:44 AM<br>*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the tropospheree<br>Hi Marcus,<br>I find that George's indulgence with bad metaphor very useful.<br>I also find amazing his ability to grasp the gist of what I am asking. I have essential tremor and a bad keyboard and still George almost always gets the message. Siri will take any opportunity to misunderstand.<br>In this case, it was I, not George, who was cranking out the sloppy metaphors, trying to find a way to convey just how thin the atmosphere is. I was hoping Saran wrap thin, but that appears to be an order of magnitude too far.<br>Am I reading this wrong? people often talk about LLM's as if they are /disappointed/ in them, as if there is something they SHOULD do that they aren't doing. Do you have any idea what the disappointment might be?: What is the world hankering for that they don't provide?<br>Nick<br>On Sun, Apr 27, 2025 at 9:37<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"> </span>PM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com%20%3cmailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">marcus@snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>> wrote:<br> I wonder if the George makers 1) realized that people have an affinity to iffy analogies and they should give the people what they want, or 2) the LLM was prone to generating them so they just made it a feature?<br> *From:*Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com%20%3cmailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">friam-bounces@redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>> *On Behalf Of *Nicholas Thompson<br> *Sent:* Sunday, April 27, 2025 8:12 PM<br> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com%20%3cmailto:friam@redfish.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com</a>>><br> *Subject:* [FRIAM] The comparative thickness of the tropospheree<br> George and I were looking for intuition pumps to help a reader imagine how very thin the troposphere is. 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white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">archives: 5/2017 thru present<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fpipermail%2ffriam_redfish.com%2f&c=E,1,jARio2PVKP2bT5Y7PnH-YXCUueTDrT3fe4fuXjgcO9UAFBG44qvpzZ60xtxoRk2xkdbc2ofXw0UvUKuFwI7YOXdbvvvvn3FGmzjTAH0QtBw2aRErNjW-&typo=1" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fpipermail%2ffriam_redfish.com%2f&c=E,1,jARio2PVKP2bT5Y7PnH-YXCUueTDrT3fe4fuXjgcO9UAFBG44qvpzZ60xtxoRk2xkdbc2ofXw0UvUKuFwI7YOXdbvvvvn3FGmzjTAH0QtBw2aRErNjW-&typo=1</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;"> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 </span><a href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>