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<p>I was guessing that Grok's hidden guardrails included "hard
questions" ultimately being referred to Elon's DOGEbois acting as
mechanical Turks with the *really hard* ones waiting for Elno
himself to answer?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/4/25 5:30 PM, Marcus Daniels
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Mechanically, Grok seems kind of buggy
to me. One thing that might be happening is that it has hit a
run time limit for the account's subscription (or the absence
of one) and fails to get that message back to the user because
somewhere in its internal conversation it was blocked.<br>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I do see Mr. Musk bragging about how
good Grok is at “over eighteen” topics. Well, that’s one way
to stand out, I suppose.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Marcus<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Claude Sonnet 3.7 with Extend Thinking<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">There's no contradiction in Quine's
position when we examine it carefully.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">What appears paradoxical actually
reveals his nuanced understanding of how<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">language functions in scientific
inquiry.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Quine distinguishes between two
contexts:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">In established scientific domains,
conflating metaphor with fact is<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">dangerous because it can lead to
category errors and conceptual confusion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Here, precision matters.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">At the "fringes" of science-where we
encounter novel phenomena or unexplored<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">territories-metaphor becomes
indispensable precisely because literal<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">language hasn't yet been developed for
these domains.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">The key insight is that metaphors serve
as temporary scaffolding. They help<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">scientists conceptualize unfamiliar
territory and develop initial<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">hypotheses. However, as understanding
advances, these metaphors should<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">either be refined into more precise
literal descriptions or explicitly<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">recognized as metaphorical.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">This view aligns with Quine's naturalism
and empiricism. He acknowledges<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">that all language, including scientific
language, begins with the<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">metaphorical extension of familiar terms
to new domains. The crucial point<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">is that we remain conscious of when
we're using metaphor and don't mistake<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">the map for the territory.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Rather than contradicting himself, Quine
is highlighting the tension<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">inherent in scientific language-we need
metaphors to advance knowledge while<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">simultaneously maintaining vigilance
against their limitations.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Gemini Advanced 2.5 Pro:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">(attached)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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On Behalf Of Prof David West<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2025 3:02 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Query: Quine warns against conflating
metaphor and fact but also states that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">metaphor is essential at the fringes of
science. Is there a contradiction<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">here?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">30 minutes, still no response.<o:p></o:p></p>
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