<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto"><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Some of Doug's quotes from the FRIAM archives:</span></p><br dir="auto"><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">"I've watched this particular verbal volleyball match for over a week now, and I must confess: I don't have the faintest idea what the objective of the exercise is. What I have noticed, however, is repeated usage of words that apparently have deep, overloaded, special meanings to their author, but not to the audience. "Experience" "conscious" "suffers from", for example. Could someone please tell me what the fuss is all about?"</span></p><br dir="auto"><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">"Black. White! Black. No, White!</span></p><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">Wrong. Am not! Are too!"</span></p><br dir="auto"><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">"Yeah, that Roberts guy is some kind of trouble maker, isn't he?"</span></p><br dir="auto"><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">"Now don't go screwing around with my head, Nick. Not sure I could come to grips with being in agreement with you on anything."</span></p><br dir="auto"><p style="margin-top:0.0pt;margin-bottom:0.0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">"This list constantly reminds me that we are all, thankfully, different. Offhand, I can not think of a topic that I would be more violently disinterested in than the "philosophy of causation</span><span style="font-family: "Google Sans"; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;">".</span></p><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-J.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div align="left" dir="auto" style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: steve smith <sasmyth@swcp.com> </div><div>Date: 5/17/25 12:48 AM (GMT+01:00) </div><div>To: friam@redfish.com </div><div>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Entropy and atmospheric potential vorticity </div><div><br></div></div>
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<div dir="auto">Oh, if ever Doug was rolling in his grave. The
swirlies and nouggies I might have endured if he were still
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<p>I'd almost forgotten about Doug's compulsive adolescent snark
directed at your fascination with vortices. <br>
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<p>It makes me wonder what he'd make of the AI phase transition we
are in. He had (IMO) both progressive and regressive ideas about
simulation science/tech. <br>
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<p>Makes me wonder if there is a mirror/parallel quantity to PV
which would be Latent Vorticity (LV)</p>
<p> and is that similar to the torque that people who might roll in
their grave experience? Or is it a measure of the rolling they
would do if they could do rolling? How much roll would a Doug
Roberts roll if Doug Roberts could roll (in his grave)?</p>
<p>I won't even suggest someone train up an LLM on all of Doug's
posts in response to Nick's to create a simulacra to harangue him?</p>
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