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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Cynical aside to Pieter: I think Altman's only vision is a personal net worth greater than his old partner Elon.
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<p>I believe that for both of them, money is merely a means or
constraint to achieving much more abstract, idiosyncratic,
hallucinatory, utopian visions. Musk's is clearly rooted in
a-good-old-fashioned-sci-fi-future. Altman's openly expressed
vision seems to be one of an (overly naive) incremental
improvement of the "human condition" on an arc qualitatively
similar to the one we've been on since the ramp-up of industry a
century or two ago? They both seem to expect technological phase
shifts but don't seem to understand that
sociological/cultural/spiritual ones would seem to follow
inevitably? They seem to only see Jetson-like-visions of
self-flying cars and robots? I see cyberpunkesque post/transhuman
utopian/dystopian jackpots.<br>
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<p>I don't trust either of them, mainly because of the outscale
leverage they wield. Musk's current $$ wealth is 200x that of
Altman and his industry-dominance has a much broader base. If
Altman approaches AGI (asymptotically?) more quickly, he might
catch up in terms of <i>net effect in the world</i>, but not
directly through financial wealth?<br>
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<p>I was acutely embarrassed for Musk recently when I watched a clip
of him talking about his Grok and Colossus, using his usual
"schtick" around "first principles" and "physics based" and I'd
swear he didn't understand (or mean) a thing he was saying? It
was very buzzword compliant to his stories about Tesla and
SpaceX. It sounded like hollow rhetoric aimed at Fox News, Donald
Trump (and his allies) and high-school techbro wannabes. Nothing
he said sounded the least bit grounded in anything truly
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<p>The more I listen to Altman, the more *naive* he seems to me...
he is much smoother than Musk and his narcissism is possibly much
less significant and much more well disguised.<br>
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