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<p style="margin:0in">< <span style="color:black">The
interesting qu</span>e<span style="color:black">stion is
where exactly does the deterministic system turn into
something nondeterministic, and how?</span>><br>
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It doesn’t. A deterministic system is a deterministic
system. <br>
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who might have first made the distinction : "deterministic but not
pre-stateable"?<br>
<p>George offered:</p>
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<td data-start="3287" data-end="3294" data-col-size="sm">1931</td>
<td data-col-size="sm" data-start="3294" data-end="3313">Kurt
Gödel</td>
<td data-col-size="md" data-start="3313" data-end="3377">Incompleteness:
truths not derivable</td>
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Turing</td>
<td data-start="3404" data-end="3468" data-col-size="md">Halting
problem: uncomputable predictions</td>
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<td data-start="3476" data-end="3497" data-col-size="sm">Heinz
von Foerster</td>
<td data-col-size="md" data-start="3497" data-end="3561">Second-order
cybernetics: unknowability of future</td>
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<td data-col-size="sm" data-start="3569" data-end="3588">Robert
Rosen</td>
<td data-col-size="md" data-start="3588" data-end="3652">Closure
to efficient causation; entailment limits</td>
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<td data-start="3660" data-end="3679" data-col-size="sm">Stuart
Kauffman</td>
<td data-start="3679" data-end="3743" data-col-size="md">Adjacent
possible; unprestatable evolution</td>
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<td data-col-size="sm" data-start="3751" data-end="3770">Gregory
Chaitin</td>
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but defined numbers (e.g., Ω)</td>
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