<div dir="ltr">Thank you, Steve.<br><br>I’ve been thinking... Do I really choose to have a positive outlook on life?<br><br>We’ve discussed free will before, and I’ve shared my thoughts. But recently I came across a few new ideas on the topic, and it got me wondering again.<br><br>What is free will, anyway? Honestly, I have no clue.<br><br>What I do know is this: over time, I’ve learned a few things that help me feel better. Not from any grand philosophy, just from reading, listening, watching others—and, well, trial and error.<br><br>One weird example: cold showers. They make me feel good. Not while I’m in them, obviously—that part’s awful. But afterward, I feel great. And then I do other useful things, like tackling boring tasks I’ve been avoiding.<br><br>So here's the question: when I take a cold shower, is that my free will at work? Or is it just my inner AI reacting to good reinforcement?<br><br>And if I do have free will when I choose to suffer under icy water... then does an AI trained to do hard things for rewards also have free will?<br><br>I’ll let you know once I figure it out. Probably from inside the next cold shower.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 6 Jun 2025 at 18:06, steve smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Pieter -<br>
> Wow, that's quite a dark view of the future with the capitalists <br>
> running the show!<br>
><br>
> I just want to repeat what I said before — nobody knows the future. <br>
> And we also don’t know what will happen if we try different policies now.<br>
><br>
> Maybe I am living in a bubble, and maybe I’m totally wrong — but I’m <br>
> honestly glad that my view of the future is still bright.<br>
I will grant you that there is significant upside to being optimistic <br>
and able to appreciate and hope for the future... it is difficult to <br>
manifest something you can't imagine.<br>
<br>
At times I'm the one chided for being optimistic. I think the phrase <br>
was "hope in one hand and sh*t in the other and see which one fills up <br>
first". The image was mildly sobering but it didn't make me any less <br>
fundamentally optimistic in spite of my ability (propensity) to conjure <br>
"worst case scenarios" with my frontal lobes tied behiind my back. It <br>
is probably an addiction, the dopamine channels fueled by cynicism.<br>
<br>
I take this crue here to be intrinsically technoUtopian, to have a bias <br>
and live in confirmation bias around "every problem has a technical <br>
solution". It is what took me into science and then diverted me into <br>
more technological roles... the idea that I could outthink every <br>
problem, preferably with a large crew of like minded folks nominally <br>
working on the same problem and possibly with the economic might of the <br>
US Science and Engineering budget to provide resources. At home I'm a <br>
hopeful tinkerer who pats the device or the garden on the head every <br>
time I have applied a little "common sense" to it and try to "hope" it <br>
into returning to the homeostatic mode it was "designed" to operate <br>
in. This works often enough that I still do it most of the time. I <br>
rarely give up on things and throw them away. I tend to take over other <br>
people's "lost causes" and try to outsmart the gremlins inside of them.<br>
<br>
So my tendency to *piss in the punchbowl* around grand technological <br>
solutions is probably at least half dopamine self-medication to make up <br>
for the *bizarre* self-destructive behaviour of our government and <br>
industry... especially that of the USA, notably throughout *my* lifetime <br>
but acutely more numbskulled in the last 10...<br>
<br>
In closing, I want to acknowledge the value of your positivity and my <br>
own (ab)use of that as a foil to feed my addiction to technoCynicism.<br>
<br>
- Steve<br>
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