<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I am overwhelmingly happy to take a position on free will for Marcus:</div><div><br></div><div>You don’t have it, I don’t have it. George doesn’t have it. Will is not the sort of thing that can be had. It is a pattern, a relentless stubbornness in doing.</div><div><div dir="ltr">Sent from my Dumb <span style="font-size: 17pt;">Phone</span></div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Jun 9, 2025, at 2:36 PM, steve smith <sasmyth@swcp.com> wrote:<br><br></div><div dir="ltr"><span></span><br><span>On 6/9/25 12:25 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Why do you call ChatGPT George? I must have missed it. Or who was George?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>We have a bar named George R in Berlin by the way, in the quarter where I live. It is named after George Remus, an American bootlegger during the Prohibition era</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Remus</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>someone might add an extra R in homage to our own George R.R. (Martin)?</span><br><span></span><br><span>I'm surprised the "George" reference slipped by you, I don't know if it was Stephen or Nick who first started making the reference to GPT (any version) in that mode, but it was a variant on another personal name I think Stephen used for a while with "Gupta" as the surname? I think it was intended to suggest a serious collaborator, but somehow (d)evolved to George? If I weren't so lazy, I'd go dig through the archives... I think someone with a higher fidelity memory or implicated in that origination will pile on here?</span><br><span></span><br><div><OpenPGP_0xD5BAF94F88AFFA63.asc></div><span>.- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-..</span><br><span>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv</span><br><span>Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam</span><br><span>to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</span><br><span>FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</span><br><span>archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</span><br><span> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</span><br></div></div></body></html>