<div dir="auto"><div>Thanks, Pieter</div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 9, 2025, 12:45 PM Pieter Steenekamp <<a href="mailto:pieters@randcontrols.co.za">pieters@randcontrols.co.za</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I'll let George answer:<br><p>EPR refers to the <strong>Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox</strong>, a 1935 thought experiment by Einstein, Podolsky, and Rosen. It challenges the completeness of quantum mechanics by showing that, under its rules, two particles can become <em>entangled</em>—so that measuring one instantly affects the other, no matter how far apart they are.</p>
<p>Einstein called this "spooky action at a distance" and believed it implied quantum mechanics was incomplete, suggesting the existence of hidden variables that would restore locality and determinism.</p>
<p>EPR is foundational to debates about quantum nonlocality and played a key role in later developments like Bell's theorem and quantum information theory.</p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 at 20:29, Frank Wimberly <<a href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wimberly3@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>What is "EPR"? What is the attraction to acronyms about?</div><div><br></div><div>---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g">140 Calle Ojo Feliz, </a><br><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g">Santa Fe, NM 87505</a><br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 8, 2025, 11:38 PM Pieter Steenekamp <<a href="mailto:pieters@randcontrols.co.za" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pieters@randcontrols.co.za</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Seth Lloyd’s Turing test for free will (<a href="https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/lloyd/Turing_Test.pdf" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/lloyd/Turing_Test.pdf</a>) is to consciousness what EPR was to quantum physics: a challenge to the theory's completeness. EPR said quantum weirdness must hide something deeper; Bell said “let's test that”—and nature replied, “nope, it’s weird all the way down.” Nobel Prize, case closed.<br><br>Lloyd asks: can we prove the mind is just machinery? His test says: build a machine that behaves indistinguishably from a human and believes it has free will. If you succeed—great. But failure proves nothing.<br><br>Unlike Bell’s inequality, this test can only confirm, never deny. No ghost-busting here.<br><br>Until then? It’s speculation. The Standard Model explains almost everything—except the quantum gremlins and how observation messes things up. So maybe the mind still has an ace up its sleeve. Or a soul. Or a bug in the code.</div>
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