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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link="#467886" vlink="#96607D" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Consider a robot with sensors roughly comparable to humans.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The robot has access to all the energy it wants. It has a large memory and generous computing resources. It has executive processes with onboard state-of-the-art LLMs to access vast information and can run a wide variety of appropriate programs to plan its next actions. It can use the LLMs to write new programs. It can tune or fine-tune the LLMs constantly from new data. It remembers its actions and their consequences. It has video and audio recordings of every moment. It has time series data of its sensors since it was activated. Because of its general self-tuning ability, any guidance from its authors (like for the LLM) can be overridden. It has americium-241 onboard hardware random number generator that drives its LLM sampling and any other stochastic algorithm. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Does this robot have free will? Why or why not?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jochen Fromm<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 10, 2025 1:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'>You argue "free will is a pattern, a relentless stubbornness in doing". It fits to Robert Sapolsky who says it is all wired and (pre-)determined and there is no free will. And to Schopenhauer's pessimistic view "A man can do what he wants, but not want what he wants" ("Der Mensch kann tun, was er will, aber er kann nicht wollen, was er will")</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'>To me it looks like free will is the opposite: we are the only animals which have the ability to break the patterns that govern our behavior. You have the freedom to choose what you want to be on fire about - at least in principle</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'><a href="https://youtu.be/4vtVOJB2r4Q">https://youtu.be/4vtVOJB2r4Q</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'>J.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>From: Nicholas Thompson <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Date: 6/10/25 1:47 AM (GMT+01:00) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am overwhelmingly happy to take a position on free will for Marcus:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You don’t have it, I don’t have it. George doesn’t have it. Will is not the sort of thing that can be had. It is a pattern, a relentless stubbornness in doing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my Dumb <span style='font-size:17.0pt'>Phone</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jun 9, 2025, at 2:36<span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span>PM, steve smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'></span><br>On 6/9/25 12:25 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Why do you call ChatGPT George? I must have missed it. Or who was George?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>We have a bar named George R in Berlin by the way, in the quarter where I live. It is named after George Remus, an American bootlegger during the Prohibition era<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Remus">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Remus</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>someone might add an extra R in homage to our own George R.R. (Martin)?<br><br>I'm surprised the "George" reference slipped by you, I don't know if it was Stephen or Nick who first started making the reference to GPT (any version) in that mode, but it was a variant on another personal name I think Stephen used for a while with "Gupta" as the surname? I think it was intended to suggest a serious collaborator, but somehow (d)evolved to George? If I weren't so lazy, I'd go dig through the archives... 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