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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>It was fun for a while<br>There was no way of knowing<br>Like a dream in the night<br>Who can say where we're going?<br>No care in the world<br>Maybe I'm learning<br>Why the sea on the tide<br>Has no way of turning<br><br><br><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of Marcus Daniels <marcus@snoutfarm.com><br><b>Date: </b>Sunday, June 22, 2025 at 1:42 PM<br><b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] Free will part 20250620<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Indeed. An illusion with no grounding. A social construct. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of Jochen Fromm <jofr@cas-group.net><br><b>Date: </b>Sunday, June 22, 2025 at 1:39 PM<br><b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] Free will part 20250620</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>My impression is that the answer to the problem of free will can most likely not be found in theoretical physics, quantum mechanics or astrophysics.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>For those who would like to know more about it the b<span style='color:black'>ooks from Alfred Mele might be interesting. He is a p</span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#202122;background:white'>rofessor of philosophy at Florida State University. Will try to get them in library:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'>Alfred R. Mele, Free Will, An Opinionated Guide, Oxford University Press, 2022</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'>Alfred Mele, Free: Why Science Hasn't Disproved Free Will, Oxford University Press, 2014</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'>Alfred Mele Free will and luck, Oxford University Press, 2006</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'>YouTube interview of Alfred Mele</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'>https://youtu.be/JmScv7ut22U</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'>He also appears in "Big Questions in Free Will"</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='color:black'>https://youtu.be/9uRTjfhIf4M</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>-J.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>-------- Original message --------</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>From: Marcus Daniels <marcus@snoutfarm.com> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Date: 6/22/25 9:00 PM (GMT+01:00) </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Free will part 20250620 </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Let’s say that Gerard ‘t Hooft is roughly correct with his model of a cellular automata (CA) model of the universe and quantum mechanics.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Let’s further say the model is incomplete because the universe is infinite that has a fluctuating metric for space. The ruler gives us the illusion of an expanding universe and could be consistent with the observed cosmic background radiation. QM unitaries would come from CAs like Fredkin Cas and dissipative behavior from CAs like Conway’s Game of Life. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>In that situation, there would be a growing network of causality chains as light from one place reached another place. But entanglement would be weird on the edges where information encounters one another. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Does any of this give free will? No, but it seems like it might suggest an experiment with advanced telescopes.<br><br>Marcus</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jochen Fromm<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 20, 2025 12:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject:</b> [FRIAM] Free will part 20250620</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>A second blog post about free will in the series of philosophical blog articles nobody needs :) I tried to mention all references and inspirations. If I forgot to mention someone please let me know. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><a href="https://blog.cas-group.net/2025/06/the-hard-problem-of-free-will/">https://blog.cas-group.net/2025/06/the-hard-problem-of-free-will/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>-J.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>