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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>This seems interesting for a pivoting virologist. <br><br><a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042682222001908">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042682222001908</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>steve smith<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 11, 2025 9:23 AM<br><b>To:</b> friam@redfish.com<br><b>Subject:</b> [FRIAM] thread bent toward Utopian/Dystopian Singularities<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 7/11/25 7:44 AM, glen wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><br><a href="https://www.mbdialogues.org/">https://www.mbdialogues.org/</a> <br><br>"We invite groups and individuals who are interested in organizing discussions about mirror biology to submit an expression of interest for funding." <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p>The "Strange Attractor" path we are on is closer and closer to any number of possible exit routes from the Basin we know as the Holocene than we have been before? Crises tend to bring out the innovation in us (for better and for worse)? Or is that just a neo-Darwinist fallacy?<o:p></o:p></p><p>I think most of us here might fit the <a href="https://ieet.org/philosophy/">technoProgressive</a> title, though clearly we have those whose lens is technoUtopian while others are more cautious. My contributions are mostly just contrarian, hanging as far out the other side of the boat as I can to keep it from tipping immediately into a "weak" or "fizzled" singularity. Is there a clean path into the singularity or is it (socioeconomic) "tidal forces" all the way down? I sometimes feel like a mid-level surfer knowing that the next "big one" is actually a Tsunami and I might as well paddle out toward it and see if I can catch "one last ride" knowing it likely ends rather dramatically bad for everyone whether they are "riding the wave", "running for high ground" or "cowering in a bunker"...<o:p></o:p></p><p>Re: Mirror biology. My nephew, a freshly minted materials scientist specializing in phase change materials (PCM) , unable to enter the very "chilled" job market, will naturally be drawn to ICE9 development?:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice-nine">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice-nine</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p>?Fortunately? I introduced him to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Queendom_of_Sol#The_Wellstone">Wellstone</a> via Wil McCarthy quite young, so programmable matter is more his style. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Matter">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Matter</a><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p><random aside>Unfortunately he's "stuck" on a QC line for a company which Uses PCM to build milspec field-portable human-blood coolers/heaters. Their only customers now are US (and maybe IDF?) special forces because of the cost of the units (and the value to a small combat team far from support in saving a life). But they are trying to re-engineer into the more general EMT space. No more arm-to-arm transfusions like in WWII movies? Is Seal Team 9 fully constrained to have compatible blood types?</aside><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p>McCarthy is one of those fascinating SF writers who has a firm foot in the more serious Sci/Tech world. For better or worse, his patents and inventions have barely made it above water... barely. He's making his living as a patent law guy right now. His flagship company is going forward without him.<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p><a href="https://www.ravenwindow.com/">https://www.ravenwindow.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p>With MTG (marjory taylor greene) pushing weather-manipulation conspiracies (leading to vigilante attacks on weather-radar installations?) I think of J. Storrs Hall <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090826074614/http:/www.acceleratingfuture.com/people-blog/?p=2637">Weather Machine</a>. But it is his <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_fog">Utility Fog</a> that I find most profound (in the vein of McCarthy's Wellstone). With Hall's Weather-Machine swarm I suppose we could implement the most grandiose version of the Vegas Spher possible? Or maybe <o:p></o:p></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_goo">Grey Goo</a> anyone?<o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p>addendum re: Ice IX/9 (is that the name of one of Elno's as-yet-unclaimed children?):<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p>While <strong><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>none</span></strong> of the 20+ known water ice polymorphs behaves like Ice-Nine, some have exotic traits:<o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><strong><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Ice VII</span></strong>: Stable at high pressure, can exist at room temperature if compressed<o:p></o:p></li><li style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><strong><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Ice XI</span></strong>: Ferroelectric, proposed for astrochemistry<o:p></o:p></li><li style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><strong><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Ice XIX</span></strong> (most recent): Still under investigation<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p>But <strong><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>no known phase of water ice propagates itself through ambient liquid water like Vonnegut’s Ice-Nine</span></strong>.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p>Attribution: GPT4o<o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>