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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/11/25 7:44 AM, glen wrote:<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mbdialogues.org/">https://www.mbdialogues.org/</a>
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"We invite groups and individuals who are interested in organizing
discussions about mirror biology to submit an expression of
interest for funding."
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<p>The "Strange Attractor" path we are on is closer and closer to
any number of possible exit routes from the Basin we know as the
Holocene than we have been before? Crises tend to bring out the
innovation in us (for better and for worse)? Or is that just a
neo-Darwinist fallacy?<br>
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<p>I think most of us here might fit the <a
href="https://ieet.org/philosophy/">technoProgressive</a> title,
though clearly we have those whose lens is technoUtopian while
others are more cautious. My contributions are mostly just
contrarian, hanging as far out the other side of the boat as I can
to keep it from tipping immediately into a "weak" or "fizzled"
singularity. Is there a clean path into the singularity or is it
(socioeconomic) "tidal forces" all the way down? I sometimes feel
like a mid-level surfer knowing that the next "big one" is
actually a Tsunami and I might as well paddle out toward it and
see if I can catch "one last ride" knowing it likely ends rather
dramatically bad for everyone whether they are "riding the wave",
"running for high ground" or "cowering in a bunker"...<br>
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<p>Re: Mirror biology. My nephew, a freshly minted materials
scientist specializing in phase change materials (PCM) , unable to
enter the very "chilled" job market, will naturally be drawn to
ICE9 development?:</p>
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<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice-nine"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice-nine</a></p>
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<p>?Fortunately? I introduced him to <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Queendom_of_Sol#The_Wellstone">Wellstone</a>
via Wil McCarthy quite young, so programmable matter is more his
style. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Matter"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Matter</a></p>
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<p><random aside>Unfortunately he's "stuck" on a QC line for
a company which Uses PCM to build milspec field-portable
human-blood coolers/heaters. Their only customers now are US
(and maybe IDF?) special forces because of the cost of the units
(and the value to a small combat team far from support in saving
a life). But they are trying to re-engineer into the more
general EMT space. No more arm-to-arm transfusions like in WWII
movies? Is Seal Team 9 fully constrained to have compatible
blood types?</aside><br>
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<p>McCarthy is one of those fascinating SF writers who has a firm
foot in the more serious Sci/Tech world. For better or worse, his
patents and inventions have barely made it above water... barely.
He's making his living as a patent law guy right now. His
flagship company is going forward without him.<br>
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<p><a href="https://www.ravenwindow.com/"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.ravenwindow.com/</a></p>
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<p>With MTG (marjory taylor greene) pushing weather-manipulation
conspiracies (leading to vigilante attacks on weather-radar
installations?) I think of J. Storrs Hall <a
href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090826074614/http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/people-blog/?p=2637">Weather
Machine</a>. But it is his <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_fog">Utility Fog</a>
that I find most profound (in the vein of McCarthy's Wellstone).
With Hall's Weather-Machine swarm I suppose we could implement the
most grandiose version of the Vegas Spher possible? Or maybe <br>
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<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_goo">Grey Goo</a>
anyone?</p>
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<p>addendum re: Ice IX/9 (is that the name of one of Elno's
as-yet-unclaimed children?):</p>
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<p data-start="1265" data-end="1365">While <strong
data-start="1271" data-end="1279">none</strong> of the 20+
known water ice polymorphs behaves like Ice-Nine, some have
exotic traits:</p>
<ul data-start="1366" data-end="1561">
<li data-start="1366" data-end="1449">
<p data-start="1368" data-end="1449"><strong data-start="1368"
data-end="1379">Ice VII</strong>: Stable at high pressure,
can exist at room temperature if compressed</p>
</li>
<li data-start="1450" data-end="1506">
<p data-start="1452" data-end="1506"><strong data-start="1452"
data-end="1462">Ice XI</strong>: Ferroelectric, proposed
for astrochemistry</p>
</li>
<li data-start="1507" data-end="1561">
<p data-start="1509" data-end="1561"><strong data-start="1509"
data-end="1520">Ice XIX</strong> (most recent): Still
under investigation</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p data-start="1563" data-end="1671">But <strong
data-start="1567" data-end="1670">no known phase of water ice
propagates itself through ambient liquid water like Vonnegut’s
Ice-Nine</strong>.</p>
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<p data-start="1563" data-end="1671">Attribution: GPT4o<br>
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