<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">This is a nice framework, Glen, even if one then has to do a lot of work to find out whether there are good cites for some of the proposed themes.<div><br></div><div>It has had me thinking over the past day about the “alternation” between Hofstadter-Lakoff, and whoever the Logicians of the moment are (Carnap-Quine or Putnam or whoever).</div><div><br></div><div>One of the big themes that I assume would be behind the Hofststadter-Lakoff position, and in different ways Damasio, would be this premise:</div><div><br></div><div>— Take some subset of things the brain does, which involve producing, or bringing into current activity, some “that which is not”, where “not” is meant to indicate “not currently streaming in through senses”, and also, up to the previous moment, “not whatever was in the active role". My long clumsy phrase above is often just called “memory”, though one could equally well regard it as “imagination” if one thinks that imagination is a kind of synthetic or constructive manipulation of the same primitives as memory. </div><div><br></div><div>— Suppose that the basic mechanism for that process in the last bullet is resonance by some kind of content-similarity. So the novel produced thing “which is not” is not identical to whatever was currently in the active role, and can properly be called something “produced”, or “brought into the active role”. But neither is it very far from, or free of, whatever was active that led to its selection/production. </div><div><br></div><div>— The above content-resonance based program would be so different as to be nearly an “opposite" from an address-based lookup, and in some idealized limit, the address-based lookup is meant to provide complete independence between the address and the content. The latter description of a machine process seems to overlap quite heavily with the defining aim of logic and of the logical-system aspect of mathematics (as characterized by Hilbert), in the sense that the symbols are supposed to take on dynamics in their own isolated, synthetic world, without dependence on “binding”, to such an extent that one can put aside even understanding what binding is or how it is done, and still intend to make arguments about properties of this synthetic domain.</div><div><br></div><div>Then suppose one had to make full operational systems out of all one primitive or all the other. Or nearly so. I wouldn’t say the NN-based MLs are fully content-similarity based, in the sense that there is a lot of structure there that doesn’t rely on content similarity to take its form. It is what the engineers fix as the design. Probably in brains that is also true to considerable extents; Broca and Wernicke areas go into more-or-less stereotypical places, and visual cortex already has a lot of organization before there is anything for it to process. But brains might make much more use of content-similarity to take their form and connectivity than ML systems currently do. The kinds of problems Chuck Stevens used to worry about: how do brains continuously function, while also growing, and seem to use the content of their ongoing activity in essential ways as part of the directing input for their growth?</div><div><br></div><div>I guess the above full operating system would look rather different from one based on the von Neumann architecture as its central design paradigm. </div><div><br></div><div>But would I want to say that either then cross-cuts the other so strongly that they are skew, that neither can be in any sense what the other is? I assume I would not, and the reason would be the capacity for simulation.</div><div><br></div><div>People — and almost surely most of this fine-grained activity is going on in brains, so I want to claim that it is okay to focus the attention of a few sentences on what they do — do engage in deliberative activities (counting things out, working through logic puzzles along rule-system pathways, etc.), and even if we found that they used a nearly all-associative architecture to do it, that wouldn’t change the fact that at the end, there is a collection of states and events that carry the logical a-semantic tags faithfully. I would expect (after all, this is biology), that for some classes of symbol-like things that need to be used often in all people, the simulation hierarchy also gets hacked and tweaked a lot, to move its overall input-output function down to a lot more rigid and primitive level. Jackendoff’s “3-system” picture of message-passing phonology, grammar, and semantics seems to claim certain quite symbol-based programs working very fast and dense at low levels in at least the first two of the three. </div><div><br></div><div>I imagine that this above fencing-of-views is conducted on something like this structure. One side says that we can identify primitives that are much simpler than the simulations they produce, with the latter being high-order syntheses from the former, and that therefore the primitives are “more fundamental”. As long as one knows that “more fundamental” is just a tag for the longer argument about “more primitive w.r.t. synthesis”, that can be okay. But if the simulation brings into existence something whose organization (deliberation with characteristics of logic and symbol-addressable content) has a compact description fully different-in-kind from that of the primitives, I don’t think one gets to deny that the new architecture has come into existence as a thing-in-itself in the world, even if it was by way of simulation that it was produced. I think my view here connects to your (Glen’s) earlier arguments that things really need to be produced to get credit for being carried out. I have (in a paper that at this rate may never actually see the far side of a production process) that these symbolic things, even if just learned and used as deliberative sequences in private thought, have about the same artifact-status is the un-willed natural phenomena in the world, and different in nature from whatever our ongoing practice with, and experience of them is. </div><div><br></div><div>All kind of statements of the elementary, I guess, and things everybody in the literature-conversation and here would already take as known and obvious, so not addressing high-order questions, and thereby not interesting as well. But maybe some terms for clearing underbrush? If they are not already wrong?</div><div><br></div><div>Eric</div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 19, 2025, at 8:13, glen <gepropella@gmail.com> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
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<h3 id="1-foundational-compatibility-quine-carnap-and-the-roots-of-analogymetaphor" data-line="2" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; font-weight: 500; margin-bottom: 0.5em; line-height: 1.25; font-size: 1.25em; position: relative; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">So,
what the hell, right? Below is Perplexity's response when queried
for background needed to start on an interdisciplinary program to
do a competent literature review for a theory of metaphor.
Obviously I started with the 10 post corpus and expanded from
there. I feel like computational linguistics would at least
partially cover what I said in the previous post. So to do a good
job, we need expertise in philosophy of language, theoretical and
computational linguistics, and neuroscience (and/or experimental
psychology). I use Perplexity because she's never yet lied to me
about references (and the others have lied to me … a LOT, the
bastards). But these references are still poor quality for the
most part, especially [3], which is just a conversation with
ChatGPT. :face_with_rolling_eyes: <br>
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<h3 id="1-foundational-compatibility-quine-carnap-and-the-roots-of-analogymetaphor" data-line="2" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; font-weight: 500; margin-bottom: 0.5em; line-height: 1.25; font-size: 1.25em; position: relative; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">1.
Foundational Compatibility: Quine, Carnap, and the Roots of
Analogy/Metaphor</h3>
<h4 id="quine-and-carnap" data-line="4" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; font-weight: 500; margin-bottom: 0.5em; line-height: 1.25; font-size: 14px; position: relative; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Quine
and Carnap</h4>
<ul data-line="5" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; position: relative; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">
<li data-line="5" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative;"><strong style="box-sizing: border-box; font-weight: bolder;">Carnap</strong><span> </span>focused
on the precision of language and the method of
“explication”—replacing imprecise or metaphorical notions with
clear, scientific language. To him, metaphors had psychological
appeal but were obstacles unless rendered into rigorous terms;
meaning was considered in relation to linguistic frameworks and
their pragmatic use, not as a direct window into cognition or
the body[1].</li>
<li data-line="6" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative;"><strong style="box-sizing: border-box; font-weight: bolder;">Quine</strong><span> </span>rejected
strict distinctions between analytic and synthetic (i.e.,
logically true versus empirically contingent), emphasizing<span> </span><em style="box-sizing: border-box;">holism</em>: all
knowledge—including logic and language—is interconnected and
susceptible to revision. Metaphors like Neurath’s boat became
models for how concepts are interdependent within a web of
belief, but not in the same embodied or experiential way
emphasized by cognitive linguists[1][2].</li>
</ul>
<h4 id="hofstadter-and-lakoff" data-line="8" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; font-weight: 500; margin-bottom: 0.5em; line-height: 1.25; font-size: 14px; position: relative; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Hofstadter
and Lakoff</h4>
<ul data-line="9" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; position: relative; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">
<li data-line="9" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative;"><strong style="box-sizing: border-box; font-weight: bolder;">Douglas
Hofstadter</strong><span> </span>frames analogy as the “engine
of cognition”—not merely a linguistic or literary device but the
fundamental way humans think and reason. In his view, all
concepts are “bundles of analogies,” and analogy-making operates
at every level of cognition, above and beyond language[3][4].</li>
<li data-line="10" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative;"><strong style="box-sizing: border-box; font-weight: bolder;">George
Lakoff</strong>, building from cognitive linguistics, sees
metaphor as central to “embodied cognition.” Metaphors are not
mere icing on language but are structuring principles of thought
itself, rooted in bodily experience and sensory-motor systems
(e.g., “Life is a Journey” shapes reasoning and
behavior)[5][6][7].</li>
</ul>
<h4 id="synthesis-and-limitations" data-line="12" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; font-weight: 500; margin-bottom: 0.5em; line-height: 1.25; font-size: 14px; position: relative; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Synthesis
and Limitations</h4>
<ul data-line="13" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; position: relative; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">
<li data-line="13" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative;">While
Quine’s holistic web of knowledge and Carnap’s framework-based
philosophy help illuminate how conceptual systems allow meaning
to emerge and shift, neither can fully ground Lakoff’s or
Hofstadter’s theories. Both analytic philosophers were wary of
metaphor as an explanatory tool—except in circumscribed
ways—whereas Lakoff and Hofstadter make metaphor and analogy the<span> </span><em style="box-sizing: border-box;">primary</em><span> </span>fabric
of cognition and meaning[3][5].</li>
</ul>
<h3 id="2-necessity-of-broader-disciplines-psychiatry-neuroscience-and-linguistics" data-line="15" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; font-weight: 500; margin-bottom: 0.5em; line-height: 1.25; font-size: 1.25em; position: relative; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">2.
Necessity of Broader Disciplines: Psychiatry, Neuroscience, and
Linguistics</h3>
<div data-line="17" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">To
robustly link logic/language (per Carnap and Quine) to
contemporary accounts of metaphor (as in Lakoff and Hofstadter),
engagement with additional disciplines is essential:</div>
<h4 id="cognitive-science-and-neuroscience" data-line="19" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; font-weight: 500; margin-bottom: 0.5em; line-height: 1.25; font-size: 14px; position: relative; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Cognitive
Science and Neuroscience</h4>
<ul data-line="20" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; position: relative; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">
<li data-line="20" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative;">Neuroscience
and experimental psychology have provided evidence that metaphor
and analogy-making are rooted in neural processes. For instance,
studies of right hemisphere processing and research on spatial
and conceptual metaphors suggest that metaphoric and literal
language involve overlapping brain circuits, challenging the
older notion that metaphor is just secondary
“ornamentation”[8][9].</li>
<li data-line="21" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative;">Research
supports Lakoff’s thesis that conceptual metaphors bridge
physical experience and abstract thought, showing mappings
between embodied actions and higher-level conceptual
reasoning[5][8][9].</li>
</ul>
<h4 id="linguistics" data-line="23" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; font-weight: 500; margin-bottom: 0.5em; line-height: 1.25; font-size: 14px; position: relative; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Linguistics</h4>
<ul data-line="24" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; position: relative; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">
<li data-line="24" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative;">The field of
cognitive linguistics (where Lakoff’s work is foundational) has
demonstrated empirically that metaphor governs pervasive
patterns in language and thought, suggesting that the structure
of logic in language is itself metaphoric to a surprising
degree[6][7].</li>
<li data-line="25" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative;">These
insights go well beyond the analytic tradition’s focus on formal
language and highlight the “embodied mind” as a nexus for logic,
language, and metaphor.</li>
</ul>
<h4 id="psychiatry-and-psychology" data-line="27" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; font-weight: 500; margin-bottom: 0.5em; line-height: 1.25; font-size: 14px; position: relative; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Psychiatry
and Psychology</h4>
<ul data-line="28" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; position: relative; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">
<li data-line="28" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative;">Psychiatry
and cognitive psychology explore how metaphoric and analogical
reasoning underpins memory, identity, conceptual development,
and even psychopathology. This reinforces the view that metaphor
is not epiphenomenal but structurally constitutive of mind[9].</li>
</ul>
<h3 id="3-comparative-table" data-line="30" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; font-weight: 500; margin-bottom: 0.5em; line-height: 1.25; font-size: 1.25em; position: relative; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">3.
Comparative Table</h3>
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<th style="box-sizing: border-box; text-align: center; border: 1px solid rgb(223, 226, 229); padding: 6px 13px; font-weight: bold;">Theory/Discipline</th>
<th style="box-sizing: border-box; text-align: center; border: 1px solid rgb(223, 226, 229); padding: 6px 13px; font-weight: bold;">How
it Treats Metaphor/Analogy</th>
<th style="box-sizing: border-box; text-align: center; border: 1px solid rgb(223, 226, 229); padding: 6px 13px; font-weight: bold;">Foundation
for Metaphor-Centric Cognition?</th>
</tr>
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<td style="box-sizing: border-box; padding: 6px 13px; border: 1px solid rgb(223, 226, 229);">Carnap</td>
<td style="box-sizing: border-box; padding: 6px 13px; border: 1px solid rgb(223, 226, 229);">Seeks
to expunge metaphors via explication; language as
constructed framework</td>
<td style="box-sizing: border-box; padding: 6px 13px; border: 1px solid rgb(223, 226, 229);">Partial—offers
logical clarity, not cognitive roots[1]</td>
</tr>
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<td style="box-sizing: border-box; padding: 6px 13px; border: 1px solid rgb(223, 226, 229);">Quine</td>
<td style="box-sizing: border-box; padding: 6px 13px; border: 1px solid rgb(223, 226, 229);">Conceptual
holism: metaphor as model for theory change; all knowledge
interconnected</td>
<td style="box-sizing: border-box; padding: 6px 13px; border: 1px solid rgb(223, 226, 229);">Partial—highlights
systemic flexibility, not embodiment[1][2]</td>
</tr>
<tr data-line="36" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative; border-top: 1px solid currentcolor;">
<td style="box-sizing: border-box; padding: 6px 13px; border: 1px solid rgb(223, 226, 229);">Hofstadter</td>
<td style="box-sizing: border-box; padding: 6px 13px; border: 1px solid rgb(223, 226, 229);">Analogy
as the “core of cognition,” encompassing metaphor</td>
<td style="box-sizing: border-box; padding: 6px 13px; border: 1px solid rgb(223, 226, 229);">No
direct grounding in analytic philosophy—needs cognitive
science[3][4]</td>
</tr>
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<td style="box-sizing: border-box; padding: 6px 13px; border: 1px solid rgb(223, 226, 229);">Lakoff</td>
<td style="box-sizing: border-box; padding: 6px 13px; border: 1px solid rgb(223, 226, 229);">Metaphor
as core structuring of thought, rooted in the body</td>
<td style="box-sizing: border-box; padding: 6px 13px; border: 1px solid rgb(223, 226, 229);">Grounded
in linguistics and neuroscience[5][6][9][7]</td>
</tr>
<tr data-line="38" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative; border-top: 1px solid currentcolor;">
<td style="box-sizing: border-box; padding: 6px 13px; border: 1px solid rgb(223, 226, 229);">Linguistics/Psychiatry/Neuroscience</td>
<td style="box-sizing: border-box; padding: 6px 13px; border: 1px solid rgb(223, 226, 229);">Metaphor/analogy
as built into both brain and language, shaping cognition</td>
<td style="box-sizing: border-box; padding: 6px 13px; border: 1px solid rgb(223, 226, 229);">Essential—provide
empirical and theoretical tools[8][9][5]</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<h3 id="4-conclusion" data-line="40" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; font-weight: 500; margin-bottom: 0.5em; line-height: 1.25; font-size: 1.25em; position: relative; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">4.
Conclusion</h3>
<ul data-line="42" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; position: relative; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">
<li data-line="42" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative;"><strong style="box-sizing: border-box; font-weight: bolder;">Quine and
Carnap provide partial philosophical foundations</strong><span> </span>for
thinking about how meaning and knowledge are systemic and
context-dependent, but<span> </span><strong style="box-sizing: border-box; font-weight: bolder;">neither
grounds metaphor or analogy as central to cognition in the way
Lakoff and Hofstadter envision</strong>.</li>
<li data-line="43" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative;"><strong style="box-sizing: border-box; font-weight: bolder;">Interdisciplinary
perspectives—especially from cognitive neuroscience,
linguistics, and psychology—are necessary to fully link the
logic-language discussions of analytic philosophy to the
metaphor-based frameworks of Lakoff and Hofstadter</strong>.</li>
<li data-line="44" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative;">The logic of
language, as Carnap explored, gains new grounding and
explanatory power when viewed through the lens of embodied,
brain-based metaphor and analogy highlighted by cognitive
science and contemporary linguistics[5][6][8][9][7].</li>
</ul>
<div data-line="46" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">[1]<span> </span><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fejap.louisiana.edu%2fejap%2f1997.spring%2fprice976.html&c=E,1,KYox9Fsc0UH_CrnBqmdnQsPEVGn5FQRkAYByBSiWzzozsnbdYtTMl5jJjHNAIdKB_VWlhiJ5VatdW1QtXqRVeb6etAJbjvwkJbKnqTMjrA5CR7hyu4zNy-u6qQk,&typo=1" data-href="https://ejap.louisiana.edu/ejap/1997.spring/price976.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: var(--vscode-textLink-foreground); text-decoration: none; background-color: transparent; outline: none; cursor: pointer; transition: color 0.3s; word-break: break-all;" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://ejap.louisiana.edu/ejap/1997.spring/price976.html</a></div>
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<div data-line="70" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">[13]<span> </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8m7lFQ3njk" data-href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8m7lFQ3njk" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: var(--vscode-textLink-foreground); text-decoration: none; background-color: transparent; outline: none; cursor: pointer; transition: color 0.3s; word-break: break-all;" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8m7lFQ3njk</a></div>
<div data-line="72" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">[14]<span> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lakoff" data-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lakoff" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: var(--vscode-textLink-foreground); text-decoration: none; background-color: transparent; outline: none; cursor: pointer; transition: color 0.3s; word-break: break-all;" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lakoff</a></div>
<div data-line="74" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">[15]<span> </span><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.jstor.org%2fstable%2f44084945&c=E,1,5T27IR8ToArbSEh4b_EvafHecYvHVWN7QuVrhjmY2m9JwGrbqRPeKYoMPRdJF0B4-Xl5p6mEz62PSV_syxuSYtUYiQUpOsO_XA-4jcZzU9t4azUFibiM&typo=1" data-href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/44084945" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: var(--vscode-textLink-foreground); text-decoration: none; background-color: transparent; outline: none; cursor: pointer; transition: color 0.3s; display: inline-block;" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.jstor.org/stable/44084945</a></div>
<div data-line="76" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">[16]<span> </span><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fmercercognitivepsychology.pbworks.com%2fw%2fpage%2f61206434%2fAnalogy%2520Theory%2520as%2520the%2520Foundation%2520for%2520Cognition&c=E,1,Wk7rNEDEYeILsqwO7ULabw9kxPk6VK9HT1caenPm8zwMifUIxjtiFAsdF4IYSiuVi3rDQBz-2QzoPJxXst3n_gNqNJ2ftEiFthx3yqVjcsVERA,,&typo=1" data-href="http://mercercognitivepsychology.pbworks.com/w/page/61206434/Analogy%20Theory%20as%20the%20Foundation%20for%20Cognition" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: var(--vscode-textLink-foreground); text-decoration: none; background-color: transparent; outline: none; cursor: pointer; transition: color 0.3s; word-break: break-word;">http://mercercognitivepsychology.pbworks.com/w/page/61206434/Analogy
Theory as the Foundation for Cognition</a></div>
<div data-line="78" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">[17]<span> </span><a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/carnap/carnap-quine.html" data-href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/carnap/carnap-quine.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: var(--vscode-textLink-foreground); text-decoration: none; background-color: transparent; outline: none; cursor: pointer; transition: color 0.3s; word-break: break-all;" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/carnap/carnap-quine.html</a></div>
<div data-line="80" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">[18]<span> </span><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fcs.uwaterloo.ca%2f~jhoey%2fteaching%2fcs886-affect%2fpapers%2fLakoffJohnsonMetaphorsWeLiveBy.pdf&c=E,1,PhRAx2J_voU85G8o3eBcYzGTCCZe7Q8HJDokFtiheRWlADxvaw4ZbweEGMoUjobB_KLrrjmONlzSxp0zNPwIFFjdPsmKRJkGeJA6wMv-uBA,&typo=1" data-href="https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/~jhoey/teaching/cs886-affect/papers/LakoffJohnsonMetaphorsWeLiveBy.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: var(--vscode-textLink-foreground); text-decoration: none; background-color: transparent; outline: none; cursor: pointer; transition: color 0.3s; word-break: break-all;" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/~jhoey/teaching/cs886-affect/papers/LakoffJohnsonMetaphorsWeLiveBy.pdf</a></div>
<div data-line="82" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">[19]<span> </span><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.sciencedirect.com%2fscience%2farticle%2fabs%2fpii%2fS1364661317301535&c=E,1,TMopSdES_-StK1UwiBgEaCQWxv9FKbtL_40BYC6M9SEgDuh2hvAzHpaQXyI-5QHdrPSqoXO_qc1DACqK6jf63W_uoteWoOKYtGMXOAbcI8jvWMmqlPjuA2k,&typo=1" data-href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1364661317301535" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: var(--vscode-textLink-foreground); text-decoration: none; background-color: transparent; outline: none; cursor: pointer; transition: color 0.3s; word-break: break-all;" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1364661317301535</a></div>
<div data-line="84" class="code-line" dir="auto" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe WPC", "Segoe UI", system-ui, Ubuntu, "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">[20]<span> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_Concepts_and_Creative_Analogies" data-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_Concepts_and_Creative_Analogies" target="_blank" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: var(--vscode-textLink-foreground); text-decoration: none; background-color: transparent; outline: none; cursor: pointer; transition: color 0.3s; word-break: break-all;" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_Concepts_and_Creative_Analogies</a></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/18/25 1:59 PM, glen wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:876c6f5f-aaff-4a71-ac00-e0cdf7e18b0b@gmail.com">I dug
out 10 posts that I think provide the corpus for this discussion.
Attached. And I may find the energy/desire to do some kind of work
fleshing it out. But first, Steve's invocation of "explanation"
(either in the xAI sense or the science/knowledge sense) reminded
me of Melanie's article:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.science.org%2fdoi%2f10.1126%2fscience.adt6140&c=E,1,lc6xidC6gkBn_WUnSeuwknah9DAyVu4pkAl4yoihykC6QO9HyE0be7X3LcMq82KgW-Fa2ojpf5PV4ADEkFBPciBDO7ei_itxODykzuBecmjzOvA,&typo=1">https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adt6140</a>.
<br>
<br>
In contrasting Hofstadter's conception versus Lakoff's, and in
light of our (well, some of us) reification of LLMs as humans or
humans as LLMs, the question that consistently emerges is What is
the relationship between computation and body?
<br>
<br>
I've expressed my stance several times, I think. That formal
definitions of "compute", like the one Lee proposed awhile back
(by Soare) [⛧] that requires computation be definite, do not exist
outside or apart from bodies of some kind. So in the context of
both Dave's brain-computer and Eric's actual-formal evolution, my
stance is not Platonic (or Popper's World 3 ... or whatever).
Even/especially things like code/proofs executable as software
have bodies. To some extent, if it can't be executed, then it's
not True/real, hearkening back to "effective procedures" or
somesuch. But going back to Eric's question on 7/16/25 6:19 PM
about what work is done by the theory itself, assuming some of
these abstractions (analogies, computable expressions) are
schematic, we can make them less semantic/bound/definite by making
them polysemous/multiply[bound|defined]. So in Eric's case, the
terms in the/a logic of evolution can be unbound and rebound to a
new context (and maybe tested for inference and fidelity after the
rebinding). Or in Dave's (and Steve's and Melanie's), unbind our
"language" about people and rebind them to LLMs. Then as in ALife,
rebind evolution and maybe even brain-computer (given models like
Beliefs, Desires, and Intention or other forms of agency). I'm too
ignorant to understand [un|re]binding in RNA Worlds - but I assume
something similar could be done, as Eric seems to suggest.
<br>
<br>
So my answer to the relationship between computation and body,
maybe resolving Hofstadter vs Lakoff, lies in this [un|re]binding
of the "logic". And where such [un|re]binding fails, you can
ratchet it back a bit. Maybe not *all* the terms in the logic can
be [un|re]bound, but *some* can. To be clear, I'm also talking
about functions being [un|re]bound/implemented, not merely atoms.
<br>
<br>
To me, that sort of program would lead to a methodologically
useful theory of analogy/metaphor. I feel like I've been infected
with something like type theory in saying this. I can't help but
think there is a cadre of people already doing this work. They
just don't call it "theory of metaphor".
<br>
<br>
<br>
[⛧]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.taylorfrancis.com%2fchapters%2fedit%2f10.4324%2f9780203100806-2%2flogic-modeling-logics-models-rudolph-lee&c=E,1,WqCYtn9Shu3oJR5vbvffQxCEEzXwTUCsqMSgNx7pntF_tdw6J5DPei0aU6PbZF2du8GSRMXfIDwYAGvscyX4b5-pD46DGyJWNJVQxjP27mpHxSvapGGp4Ezs_NhI&typo=1">https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9780203100806-2/logic-modeling-logics-models-rudolph-lee</a><br>
<br>
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